• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Long lining questions

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Long lining questions

    I have a couple long lining questions. Training is going really well with my mare. She is pretty solid on her verbal commands and her whoa/stand as well as working handily in the long lines at walk, trot, canter and doing figure 8s at walk/trot. Her biggest hump is that she is uncomfortable when I am standing or walking directly behind her. I think it is her wanting to keep her eye on me to see what I am going to ask of her, so not fear per se but she does start to fret when she can't see me. At the walk, she tries to angle herself so that she can see me out of the corner of her eye. When standing, she pings back and forth between me and my hand. She is better if I wait and move behind her once she has settled into her work a bit. I have been having her stand and then will walk back and forth behind her and then to and from her. I know that it will just take time, but are there any training exercises that you utilize to help the horses develop confidence with you being directly behind them? She is working in a bridle without blinders at this point.

    The other question is how do you keep the long lines from catching on the back strap buckles when passing back and forth? Our problem is I am very short and she is very tall.

  • #2
    For starters, we use long lines down along her sides, run thru the loops holding the shaft of harness saddle. No flipping lines over her back, PLUS you have better control of her rear end, to push forward, no swinging the rump out.

    We do our walking behind horse (ground driving) going places besides circles in the long lines, like down the side of arena, trail walking stuff, with handler out to one side of rump. We never do directly behind driving, because handler can't see horse head or how body is being held, how hard the reins are on horse mouth for fast releases, when handler is behind. The other thing is that FEW people can walk with a big moving horse or pony, so when they are behind they are HANGING on his face to keep up. Horse is NOT having fun, no rewards for being good, giving to the bit, if handler never SEES what horse head is doing. Sure can't feel it with those long lines and trying to keep up with equine.

    You need to get some kind of blinkers on your animal, see if she can get used to them or if she just won't. Some animals don't accept blinkers, or losing sight of the driver/handler, so they may not make driving candidates. Blinkers need to prevent horse from seeing directly behind him. This so horse doesn't read your body language and MAKE choices FOR YOU. Very dangerous to let horse make choices in Driving. Blinkers can be wide open, give horse a lot of view, just not behind them. Racing hoods have a selection of blinker cups to choose from, if you go that way to start her.

    Sorry, until horse is going in blinkers sometimes, obedient to the voice ONLY wearing blinkers, you really can't improve her, do more advanced training, at this point.

    I HATE to say horse might not be as good with voice as you think, since she is wanting to see you at all times. She might be NEEDING your body language as part of the vocal cue. Have you tried using a blinker bridle at all yet? Some folks use the blinkers on alternating days, to get the horse used to them. Racing hoods could be a beginning step if you don't have a blinker bridle, fits under a riding bridle.

    Comment


    • #3
      I put duct tape on the buckles and rings that I wasn't using so the lines would slide better.

      I second the blinkers. I always started out with a hood that I could remove easily if the horse became upset. I led it at first with the straps, buckles twined around the cheek pieces of the bridle. Gradually I would move back, out of side but ready to move back up if need be. It didn't take long for them to listen to where I was.
      Ride like you mean it.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Thanks! I appreciate the advice.

        I agree that she is probably watching me and trying to read my body language. I hadn't started with the blinkers yet as I was trying to have her solid with each step before moving on. Yes, I have a blinker bridle and I can see how she does with it tomorrow. We have a racing supply store in town and I can pick up a hood if I need to.

        I will also move the long lines through the loops on her sides. This is where we typically run them with a saddle or surcingle when starting the riding horses, so will be more comfortable for me, too.

        I guess directly behind her was the wrong phrasing. I am doing most of her work with her on a circle with transitions and change of direction and then break it up with walks down the long side or on the roads. Anytime that I end up behind her rather than off to the side even with her hip, she starts to get unsure. It doesn't matter if I am dead centered behind her or behind her and a bit off to the side, she seems to be bothered by me being back there. The farther back I am, the more it seems to bother her. I will try the blinkers and maybe that will help.

        Comment


        • #5
          Really astute advice that the horse is relying heavily on body language.

          I will come from a different angle however, given my background before driving was mainly working with horses with people issues.

          Something you may want to consider OP is the concept of "changing eyes". Not many people ever give changing eyes a thought, but for me personally its very important to have a horse that is OK about me spending time in, or dealing with a commotion in their blind spot.

          In a nutshell, you work a horse back and forth until they grasp the concept of you going from one eye to the other and then they become more comfortable about you being in their blind spot.

          This article is a little goofy in spots, but overall discusses the concept nicely: http://www.lesliedesmond.com/index.php?id=112

          One thing that is very very interesting to observe with horses is which eye they prefer you in. When you approach a horse, if they are at liberty, notice what eyes they look at you with. If they are really happy to have you there, they will look at you with both eyes, its an invitation to be with them. If they look at you with one eye pay attention which eye. You might think its random but its not. Horses have "sidedness" - as we all know - but what we often don't realize is that they will position themselves to look at you with the eye on the side they are most comfortable having you at... or least uncomfortable in many cases

          If your mare is keeping a watchful eye on you because she's a bit unsure (you mention she seems to fret) then she sounds very kind hearted and willing to trust you despite being uncomfortable. I personally would spend time working on changing eyes.

          I spent a lot of time changing eyes with my driving horse and getting him comfortable to activity in his blind spot. He's a flighty kicker by nature and I didn't want him to be one of those horses that has a meltdown one day and decides to kick the crap out of the big noisy thing directly in their blind spot, blinkers or no.

          There was a video posted here a while back showing a team, a young horse one of his first times out matched up with an older solid horse for comfort. The young horse suddenly had enough and was uncomfortable with what was behind him. He kicked out (caught a passenger in the face) and tried to leave, but the wise older horse put the brakes on and wouldn't let the young horse bolt. Young horse had a meltdown because he could not deal with the situation any more and kicked the carriage to smithereens.

          I saw that video just as I was striking out with my driving horse and it left an indelible mark on me. I put a tremendous amount of time into changing eyes and eventually causing big ruckuses in his blind spot in preparation for work in blinders.

          Just my 2¢ fwiw.
          Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            Thank you so much! This mare's natural instinct is to always turn towards people and she is really wanting to spin around and face me. She is quiet comfortable with people being directly behind her, but she is struggling with me being very far behind her. Hopefully, her willingness to work will over come her insecurity with this. If not, she may not be suited for driving. I will try getting her comfortable with her blind spot, changing eyes, and working in blinkers, then we will see.

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              The advice was a huge help. She was super today in the blinker bridle and it made the world of difference. Instead of following me with her eye, I could see her radar ears following me, but she seemed much more secure. We will see how tomorrow goes. Hopefully, she settles in and this wasn't a one off day.

              Comment

              Working...
              X