• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Overchecks

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Yes, same thing. If overused/abused, it's not a good thing. My vet and my equine chiro are OK with it, they're both pretty opinionated dressage riders, so I have no doubt I'd get a whuppin' if they felt I was doing something to the detriment of my horse.

    Also of note, Anna Sewell was writing of working carriage horses, on the streets and climbing hills, and checked up hard for long periods of time. When I show my horse checked, it's for no more than a quick warm up (if there is one) and the length of a class.

    I read Black Beauty as a girl too.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #22
      Originally posted by JoanR View Post
      That said, I am still confused about why your vet recommended using an overcheck. Yes, the horse COULD balance on it, but I don't know why you would want your horse balancing itself by bracing on any bit.
      I'm in a tough position attempting to defend my vet when I can't speak intelligently on OCs because I have no experience with them. Since my horse's lameness is so occasional and only for a few steps, I think she is thinking that an OC will give him a crutch for those few steps. Not to brace on all the time.

      I think earlier in this thread I drew the reference to a barrel racer using its tie down. Not that I ever used a tie down when I barrel raced, so again I'm not speaking from personal experience, but to my knowledge a when a rider deems this bit of kit helpful for their horse, its not for them to brace into the entire run. The tie down gives the horse something to brace its head against while it collects and compresses its body ready to explode out of the tight turn. Its only useful for a moment in time.

      Same way as when you're riding a bucker and he gets going, if you pull back evenly on both reins, you only enable him to buck harder by giving him something to brace on (know that lesson VERY well).

      Again, please don't crucify me I'm not speaking from experience here (except for the bucking). This analogy is the best way to describe what I believe my vet is trying to tell me... but I am at the distinct disadvantage of not having used any of these bits of kit.

      What I was hoping to accomplish with this thread is to see how logical this advice is, and if worth pursuing, the best way to go about it. Sounds like the question of pursuance is a resounding "no"

      I have to say I appreciate the heck out of my vet. She thinks out of the box and isn't afraid to brainstorm with her clients. Creative problem solving is just one of the many things I heart about my vet. (praise like this does not come easily from me).

      Whether its good advice or poor advice, I guess ultimately its up to the horse. Using an OC was simply ONE of MANY SUGGESTIONS.

      I realize this thread has caused a lot of and I really thank everyone for not piling on my vet claiming quackery.

      I have to say I appreciate the heck out of you all too. I have very few people I can turn to on this subject. In addition to being a collection of really great horsepeople, everyone here isn't afraid of being honest or hurting my feelings and I really value that. I realize that everyones intentions is ultimately for the good of my horse and I. Thank you all.

      Originally posted by JoanR View Post
      I hope you are able to work out your issues with the horse. I enjoy reading your posts about your driving experiences.
      Thanks, I hope we can work it out too, but honestly I'm feeling a bit grim about it all. Its looking as if he'll be sound for trail driving only, no dressage, no tight turns. I'm super depressed about this.
      Last edited by buck22; Jun. 26, 2012, 07:37 AM.
      Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

      Comment


      • #23
        Overchecks are not evil by themselves, it is when they are abused just like any other piece of tack.

        I do both Standardbred racing and pleasure driving (I'm going to start Combined Driving with my OTSTB trotter next spring when we move back to Florida) and I use overchecks in racing and my pony gets a very loose overcheck to keep her from diving into the grass especially when my daughter is driving. When driving for fun I do not use an overcheck normally.

        My pacers use overchecks to help them balance at the incredible speeds we go and trotters are getting so well gaited that a lot of them are using overchecks.

        I feel that a properly adjusted overcheck, used in short periods of times is not a bad thing. It is when it is too tight and they make an artificial headset that I have problems with. A overcheck is not a crutch or a shortcut, but a piece of equipment that has a place when used correctly.

        Comment

        Working...
        X