• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

arena drag - crazy idea?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • arena drag - crazy idea?

    I have an older retired TB who is plenty sound enough to pull a small drag in the fenced arena. He's pulled a stagecoach in his distant past, though I've never driven him (any horse, actually)

    I saw this and thought "hey, my old guy could drag the arena weekly and earn his keep!" - our barn manager is lax about getting that job done.

    Is this a crazy idea?

    Horse is very smart and calm, learns tricks quickly etc. I have a regular surcingle, he lunges and long-lines perfectly, but I don't have a full harness - do I really need one? Could I buy a breast collar and use that with the surcingle and quick release fittings in case it all goes pear-shaped and just lead him in a halter? Then graduate to pulling a tire or something when he's comfy, then a small, lightweight drag?

    I have examined "Carriage Driving" by Heike Bean and it all seems doable...
    ----------------------------------------
    PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
    http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
    ----------------------------------------

  • #2
    Friend of mine used to drag his working area in front of the radio cow (cutting horses) with one of his cutting mares....used a string cinch as a breast collar and tied the drag (a small toothed harrow about 3 x 4 in size) to the front cinch rings on his cutting saddle with safety release clips. Wasn't heavy/hard work but sure put the butt muscles on her!!
    Colored Cowhorse Ranch
    www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
    Northern NV

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      string cinch - good idea!

      actually I have an eventing breastcollar that'd work with correct padding... hm...

      ideas for small, homemade harrow?
      ----------------------------------------
      PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
      http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
      ----------------------------------------

      Comment


      • #4
        small home made harrow

        we have seen someone use a length (approx 6 ft) of chain link fence bolted to a 2x4
        strap some weights on to keep it in contact with the ground

        some eye bolts on the 2x4 can connect to chains or straps
        then to the harness traces (of some kind

        What you MUST have is a calm and quiet horse, willing to work with you

        I assume you are just using the horse for the muscle and you and going to lead the horse around the ring

        Comment


        • #5
          I've been meaning to make this but haven't gotten around to it
          http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...m/dbe51877.jpg
          Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

          Comment


          • #6
            My horses routinely take turns smoothing out the arena. It's not a bang up job like the tractor drag but it smoothes out the lumps while giving them weight resistance for exercise.

            I use a rectangle of hog wire or combo panel wire. I have a set of bio traces that stay clipped to the front of the wire at each end. I have two big 6 x 6 wood scraps tied to the wire with twine. I can remove one or both depending on the horse's training level and fitness.

            I drag two ways, as a drag behind a horse I am long lining or more fequently, I clip the extra traces to the underside of my jog bike while we walk and jog the arena. I have a ring of twine tied to my axle under the seat where it won't slide around. This is also pretty safe as the horse is hitched to a jog bike and lessens the chance that they would act up and back their feet over the drag. When long lining, having the second set of traces also get the drag farther away from the horse's hind feet so if they act up, chances are I will get them going again long before they back all the way onto the drag.

            I would recommend getting a full harness, even an inexpensive one. when i long line, I pass the traces through the tug loops and the breeching rings to keep the line of draught straight on the chest. The downward pull doesn't occur on the horse's frame until the traces pass through the breeching rings.At that point, the rump is taking the weight across it's entirety. This also lessens the likelyhood that a horse will step over its own trace. I clip the second set of traces to the set hanging off the breeching rings.
            ...don't sh** where you eat...

            Comment


            • #7
              My trainer drags her arena pretty much daily using a similar set up to Winfieldfarms. The harrow is a section of cattle panel with a big 2x12 on the middle of it and spikes driven through and out the other side. It is about a foot wider on each side than the show cart, and the jog cart is wider so it is close to even. It has a cotton rope attached to the front of the sides, and the cotton rope has been knotted dead center to form a loop. Her two carts that I have used both have a screw in hook somewhere under the back of the seat and the loop drops over that. (I've always been sitting in the cart during the attach and detach process or I'd be more precise!)

              It works great behind the cart and gives me tons of feedback about my track and turning. I haven't ever seen her long line and use it so I don't know if that is an option.
              Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
              Incredible Invisible

              Comment


              • #8
                before you hitch your TB who was previously driven in a stage coach, make sure his/her brain is OK. When you use the words, TB/Stage Coach I instantly think of the racing TBs. and that is not really driving....thats going hell bent for leather around an arena with 3 other TBs. If he/she was an ex-stage coach racer, watch out for flash backs.
                www.facebook.com/doggonegoodgoodies
                http://doggonebakedgoods.com/

                Comment


                • #9
                  quote=Xanthoria;5259040]
                  Is this a crazy idea?
                  Well, not really, but if you have to walk behind the horse each time, it will wear thin really fast! Notice the number of posters above to attach a drag behind their carts ...that should be a big clue.

                  I don't have a full harness - do I really need one? Could I buy a breast collar and use that with the surcingle and quick release fittings in case it all goes pear-shaped and just lead him in a halter?
                  You can buy just the breast collar, but make sure it is a big thick wide one. The pressure of the drag's weight will be on that one area of the horse's chest, so you want to disburse the pressure over a wider area as much as possible. Quick release snaps are always a good idea. If you lead with a rope, make sure you have a helper than can detach the drag incase things suddenly start to go wrong.

                  I have examined "Carriage Driving" by Heike Bean and it all seems doable...
                  Always a good idea to study up first if you don't have a good driving instructor or driving friend close by.

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MunchingonHay View Post
                    before you hitch your TB who was previously driven in a stage coach, make sure his/her brain is OK. When you use the words, TB/Stage Coach I instantly think of the racing TBs. and that is not really driving....thats going hell bent for leather around an arena with 3 other TBs. If he/she was an ex-stage coach racer, watch out for flash backs.
                    Hah - no! He was at Knotts Berry Farm pulling a coach for tourists, and I've owned him 10 years: he's a gem
                    ----------------------------------------
                    PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
                    http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
                    ----------------------------------------

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Do you any big guys, or women? Or strong more petite women? If so, you CAN drag an arena manually. With just the kennel panel - it does some good. I have seen one not very large male do it. So, I think 2-3 strong people could get 'er done...If this is a boarding place, it probably needs it to much for that. For a private facility with one or two riders it does work, though.

                      Also, the kennel panel works perfect behind a car or truck. I think you are not allowed to use machinery if I recall, BUT if you could sneak in a few laps with a small car and then rake over the final tire marks it MIGHT be an option.
                      "Fool! Don't you see now that I could have poisoned you a hundred times had I been able to live without you." Cleopatra VII

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        akor I'm just thinking it'd be fun to drag with a horse, you know? And less exhausting

                        gothedistance, yeah, I can't really afford to buy a cart to sit on and I could use the exercise. Just not as much as akor describes!

                        of course the simplest thing would be to get the BM to drag the aena once a week... fat chance!
                        ----------------------------------------
                        PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
                        http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
                        ----------------------------------------

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Make sure your traces are plenty long & your horse is strong enough to pull it. The smaller the angle between the trace and the ground, the easier it is to pull. My last trainer screwed up my mare when he hooked her to a heavy drag. Now my driving horse is balky & thinks she can't pull anything.
                          Visit my Spoonflower shop

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X