Stallion Spotlight

Total Hope-11-18-09-3662

Real Estate Spotlight

1
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You�re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it�details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums� policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it�s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users� profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses � Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it�s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who�s selling it, it doesn�t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions � Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services � Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products � While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements � Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be �bumped� excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues � Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators� discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you�d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user�s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

How to pick a starter cart

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • How to pick a starter cart

    I am thinking about pursuing driving. How did you pick an affordable, yet safe cart for your horse. At this point, said horse has not been driven. I have a place to get a harness from, but will be on a budget looking for affordable gear.

  • #2
    You may want to work with a driving trainer, use their equipment to find out if your prospect actually will drive. A harness that fits can be inexpensive, yet still safe and usable. Both leather and synthetic harness can work well for you. Safe carts come at a higher price, which you may want to wait on purchasing until horse is actually driving. By then I would expect you have more cart knowledge, the help of trainer, to find a cart (2-wheels) to purchase. If you enjoy driving, spend time with your green horse to improve his training, your handling skills. He needs to stand well for long times, obey your voice and rein directions, back easily in a controlled fashion, to move out of the "green" stage. He has to be reliable and obedient in various situations with his cart. You might then consider moving up to 4-wheels.

    I like Road Carts, which sit up higher to see ahead of the horse, not any leaning sideways to see forward! Carts do need some width to the wheels for stability, more than most 4-Wheeler will track. Easy entry refers to having an open space to reach the seat when getting in from the side. No shaft to step over in the design. Split seats lift to the side, allowing entry from the rear of cart. Some carts have steps to help you step up. You can also add a step if you want, to make it easier getting in. I like leaf springs for a comfortable ride and a cushoned seat. Also a seatback to support my back. It is very tiring to drive without back support.

    Both wooden carts and modern styled metal carts with metal spoked wheels can both be good choices to start with. There are always used vehicles for sale, for various prices. Finding a local driving club in your area will help you connect with other drivers for Clinics and items for sale, fun driving activities. The harness you need for a cart SHOULD have a tree in the saddle part to protect the horse's back from shaft weight. Ask about a tree if you are buying new harness or try folding the saddle if buying used harness. Saddle should stay stiff like a riding saddle, not fold at all. Saddle should also be wide, 4", to spread shaft weight out on a larger surface of his back. Narrow saddles are for 4-wheelers, with minimal, independent shaft weight on the horse.

    Movable seats allow adjusting to aid cart balance. However you probably won't find that feature on basic carts.

    Shafts for carts usually should be level on the animal sides, with tips ending at the point of shoulder. Tips pointing up or down may need harness adjustment or actually be too high or low, making the vehicle the wrong size for this animal. Animal should be far enough ahead so he can't reach the cart body to hit it or a wheel at his most extended gait.

    Comment


    • #3
      goodhors has pretty much outlined everything you need to know.

      I'll just add my vote for synthetic harness.
      Why spend time cleaning leather until you're committed to the sport.
      And, for safety's sake, you do need to clean leather after every use.
      Synthetic can be wiped clean easily & even hosed off.
      Rated ADS shows now sanction synthetic harness.

      Stainless fittings mean no polishing brass.
      I avoid Conway buckles as my aged fingers fumble with them longer than my patience allows.

      If you plan on showing your cart should have the heavier metal-spoked wheels, not the motorcycle type. Those are fine for trails & roads*, but usually not allowed for show, unless a Utility class is offered. Local non-rated shows may allow.
      Pneumatic gives you a softer ride, but no-flats mean... well, no flat tires.

      *I know a lot of Drivers caution against the bike tires, but mine have held up to miles of roads & trails over the last 3yrs.
      *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
      Steppin' Out 1988-2004
      Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
      Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

      Comment


      • #4
        Beta (synthetic) harness all day long! (I like my yonies, and the general advice I have heard in the deep south is Zilco isn't wonderful... which is odd, being an Aussie company, but it may be the humidity)

        Personally I would invest initially with someone who starts horses to drive, because they have the sort of equipment you need, and it's a given that a horse tearing up their equipment is part of the game...

        Then if you both take to driving, I would invest in a 4 wheel carriage if at all possible. I see a fair number of pleasure type vehicles for sale, and Peter at A-Z Driving (Central FL) brings in used ones from the Netherlands regularly and they are very budget friendly. Either way, join the fb pages, carriage driving classifieds and carriage driving equipment are the two I follow. That will give you a good idea of what is out there and how much it costs.
        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by 2DogsFarm View Post
          If you plan on showing your cart should have the heavier metal-spoked wheels, not the motorcycle type. Those are fine for trails & roads*, but usually not allowed for show, unless a Utility class is offered. Local non-rated shows may allow.
          Pneumatic gives you a softer ride, but no-flats mean... well, no flat tires.

          *I know a lot of Drivers caution against the bike tires, but mine have held up to miles of roads & trails over the last 3yrs.
          I take it you haven't had a bike tire warp on you yet. I would strongly advise against bicycle spoked tires. I have had them warp and we didn't notice the day of, but definitely felt it and saw it the next drive! It wasn't a catastrophic failure, but it was still a failure.

          If you are buying new I would avoid anything under $1k and if it is larger than mini size I would be wary of anything under $1500 new. Used vehicles vary and sometimes you can snatch up a really good deal (I've seen good carts go for $500 used).

          I would save up for a cart until you are reasonably positive your equine will drive. To me this means that they are comfortable dragging a tire and false shafts around (not necessarily at the same time) at a walk and trot, canter would be nice too, but not absolutely necessary. The horse should also be comfortable with and understand the basic voice, whip, and rein aids and have an excellent "whoa" and "stand." Once all that is met then you can search for a cart in earnest.

          I do recommend two wheels for the first year in harness. Hard rubber or pneumatics can go either way. Pneumatics offer a slightly softer ride, but they can get flat. If you do foam inserts you are then flat proof, but you lose some of the cushion. As a desert dweller with pokey plants abounding (cacti and trees and shrubs and weeds!) I stay away from the pneumatics (except on our forecart that uses car tires).

          Mentioned above I would avoid small spokes. Metal or wood are good so long as nothing is rusting through or rotted respectively. A welding inclined friend might be able to help assess the soundness of a metal cart. Checking welds for cracks, assessing the thickness of the metal. I recently worked with a client's cart that was not made of thick enough metal and you could feel it give under weight as you stepped into it (you can have someone hold the shafts as you step in and out).

          I would also look at something that has shock absorbtion and not just for my butt, I want my horse to be protected from dips and bumps as well! I have seen some elaborate shocks for the driver's seat on some vehicles, but nothing offered for the poor horse as it gets bumped and jostled by the shafts.

          Short version with bullet points
          *Be sure your horse is right ready to hook before you go shopping
          *Get something STURDY and well-made
          *Look used first, save for new as you look if necessary
          *Shock absorption is good for both you and the horse!

          Comment


          • #6
            Just want to say...excellent advice!

            Comment


            • #7
              Second the above advice.

              Comment

              Working...
              X