• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

In our continuing effort to provide an avenue for individuals to voice their opinions and experiences, we have recently reviewed and updated our forum policies. Generally, we have allowed users to share their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, trainers, etc. within the industry, and that is not changing.

When it came to overt criminal allegations, however, those discussions have in the past needed to stem from a report by a reputable news source or action by law enforcement or the legal system.

We are now expanding our policies to allow posters to share their own first-hand experiences involving overt criminal allegations, such as animal abuse or neglect, theft, etc., but only if they publicly provide their full first and last name along with the post. We still will not allow anonymous postings alleging criminal activity.

So, a user may now make a specific claim against a named individual or company, but it must be a FIRST-HAND account, and they have to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. Users have always been legally responsible for their posts, and nothing has changed there, but we want to loosen the reins a bit and further allow the free flow of discussion and information relevant to the horse community.

We are not providing a free-for-all of anonymous rumor-mongering. As enduring advocates for the welfare of the horse, we want to provide a forum for those willing to sign their name and shine a light on issues of concern to them in the industry.

The full revised rules are posted at the top of each forum for reference.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums’ policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Youngest Age to Train to Drive?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Youngest Age to Train to Drive?

    Hi,

    We have a Welsh Cob pony, Section C. She is 12 hands high, and is 2 years old. Someday, we want to train her (have her trained) to drive (just for pleasure, not showing). Is 2 years old too young?

    Thanks!
    "No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill

  • #2
    No ...... go ahead and send her off to 'school' !

    Trainer with a good indoor arena coupled with a winter of work will make your
    SPRiNG and SUMMER a whole bunch of fun with your mare !

    Enjoy !!!
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

    Comment


    • #3
      Two is a bit too young for me, in sending a horse or pony for driving training I just don't think they are mentally mature enough for consistant training yet, and body parts are still growing as well. I want them to last SOUND for many years ahead. Daily work may sour a very young horse with drilling needed to get proper responses, reliability on a driving animal. It can be boring, then they start games to escape their work. Develop bad habits.

      Have to say our 2yr Olds have an extremely short attention span, maybe 15 minutes at the most, then you have lost their interest. Hard to train young without forcing the issue, which is NEVER a good idea.

      We have our 3yr old at the trainer's now. She has done very well in her 30 day visit, but needs to come home and play this winter. Think about what she learned, and will be returning to the trainer in the spring. She has not been hitched, but got A+ on all the lessons leading up to that. We are quite amazed at her progress, it seldom goes this smoothly! Guess she was just ready to learn now. She just kept saying " Ok, got that. Next." Have to not overload or overschool one like that! We are picking her up Sunday, snow permitting.

      Comment


      • #4
        I know people who have ground driven their 18mo-3+ year olds all over creations, because you can't do a lot of damage walking everywhere, but you sure can do a lot of great training and pre-training that way. They can eventually pull poles, then just the small cart, so that by 3/4 you'll have a pony used to "driving" everywhere.
        Let me apologize in advance.

        Comment


        • #5
          I would say that you have to look at the individual, not a generic standard. Are some two year olds the very last word in distracted? Absolutely. Are some just not ready and too immature? Totally. Are some old souls who can handle new experiences without getting worried? Yup.

          So if you weigh the pros and cons, the pro is that generally speaking (see comment about individuals ), 2 year olds are still at a stage where they are more about learning new experiences rather than being cautious first/accepting later (within the normal boundaries of an animal that has been what's for dinner for millions of years). From an evolutionary perspective, 2 year olds are still under the protection of the herd and learning what's safe (herd not scared) versus what's deadly (herd is scared), as they move into 3 year olds or the thug years (4-5) the programming shifts to leave first, ask questions later. Obviously it is something we easily overcome, but doing weird stuff early on is a great way to let them learn to look to you, not instinct, as a guidance for behavior.

          The cons are that you simply cannot overwork a 2 year old, mentally or physically, especially mentally without consequences (and you have to understand that overwork can be in 5 minutes or 15 minutes or 35 minutes, you just have to respond to the individual on that day). So you need to be really good at this in order to not ever set them up for failure, know when to stop the lesson on a good note and not get into that trap of "let's just do a little bit more" because they seem to be doing so well until allofasudden they are not doing well at all. And if you are not that person, you need to know enough to find that person and pay them money.

          But if you have (or are) that resource, you can do a lot of things that set them up to be really solid citizens. And even if you have that naturally ADD or concerned youngster, you can still use this time to push their comfort zone, so to speak. It's just that what you can do with that individual will not be nearly as much as you can do with the old soul type. But in either case you can do a lot of learning without stressing them mentally or physically if you have someone who is experienced at working baby mindsets and isn't just throwing them into that 90 day start-a-horse template. (I'm not knocking that approach, but it really needs a horse who is mentally and physically up to that, and that is not an unstarted 2 year old).
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            Hi everyone,

            Thanks for the comments! I understand what you all are saying, 2 is a little young for the 90-day programs and such, but not too bad for doing a little groundwork here and there. So, we will probably just wait for the driving training until she is older and wiser.

            On another note, our filly is quite friendly, but sensitive. We just got her a few days ago, and we learned that she has never had her hooves touched (for farrier or general cleaning)! At 2 years old, I was not expecting that, but there it is. In a week or so we are having a vet and farrier come by to sedate her and get her hooves filed down, as they are too long. That will work in the short term, but for future farrier visits, we need to have her hooves touched. As you might expect, we are new to young ponies (having only owned 2 well-trained miniature horses), and we are not quite ready for the overall manners training on our own that we would have to do with her.

            Is there such a thing as professional "manners" training for young horses? (We would love to be able to have a professional trainer train our filly and we could also be trained in how to properly keep up her training). If so, would it be better to get a trainer to come out to us, rather than boarding our filly with them? Or would that not make a difference?

            Anyway, sorry for so many questions! Thanks again for the help!
            "No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill

            Comment


            • #7
              Sounds like OP will be doing "lessons" with her young filly, though in handling rather than driving at her present stage of being handled. Mostly short, easy stuff like learning voice commands to walk forward, halt, turn with the handler, whoa and stand still. LOTS of hoof and leg handling so she is cooperative for hoof care. Standing tied for increasing lengths of time, quietly. She can wear a sheet, girth, getting used to the feel on body, leg straps, tight feeling is not going to hurt!

              Trainer says we have to do "homework" on our horse using leg straps on blankets. Very ticklish about them for the trainer. Who knew? She has always been fine to brush inside her hind legs. These are the things we need to find out so they can be worked on to improve her.

              I am sure you can locate a trainer to do these basics if you don't have enough time to do them yourself. We sent our filly off to get time in learning about being in other new places, new handlers, learn new things in daily short training sessions WITHOUT going on to being hitched yet. She needs to be accepting of change, not worry or over react when it happens. Learning that takes time, much repetition to get established in her head.

              Comment


              • #8
                Trail Ride Lover, if you ask your question on off course with your location, you can probably get some suggestions for a good "cowboy" to work with youngsters. If you were in the north atlanta area, I would have a great suggestion. You just want to vet the suggestions with people you know and trust locally. What you are looking for ideally is a horse behaviorist rather than someone who learned you could run a horse down in the round pen.
                Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

                Comment


                • #9
                  My mini Bugs was just shy of 2-1/2 when he went to a young Amishman to be broke to drive.
                  He came back to me about as safe for a Newbie Driver (me) as I could ever want.
                  Bonus points for the guy having 5 young boys - stairsteps from 14yo down - who were responsible for a lot of his handling.
                  Besides learning to drive, he came back as friendly as a stuffed toy with people. kids & crowds.
                  Which comes in very handy when we do the County Fair - I tell people the Stoopid Bus unloads right outside the barn & passengers wander the aisles... You'd think you would not have to tell people not to hold their infants right up to a horse's face.

                  At least 50% of the credit belongs to Bugs for his temperament, but whatever method used to get him broke worked.
                  He is reliably traffic-safe, can be ponied off a cart & is fine driven in the company of larger horses - either at shows or on Club drives.
                  In fact, his preferred place on drives is with his nose practically on the platform of whatever cart/carriage is in front of him.

                  YMMV with your filly, but as others have said, it is never too early to suss out their temperament & tolerance for things they need to get used to.
                  *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                  Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                  Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                  Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    A lot of draft horses are broke to drive at 2, then broke to ride at 3.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Not exactly the same as training to actually drive but I train all my horses to ground drive as early yearlings. We go out and explore the property and see all the sights and sounds that way so by the time they are ready to be broke to ride they already know how to steer and stop and the go button is partially installed verbally.
                      McDowell Racing Stables

                      Home Away From Home

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Another Poster View Post
                        A lot of draft horses are broke to drive at 2, then broke to ride at 3.
                        We have a 2017 Belgian gelding who now long lines and has dragged some false shafts at this point. He is 16.2 hh and over 1200lbs now. I'm getting ready to have him pull the tire a bit as 20lbs of rubber isn't going to burden him at all for 10-20 minutes once or twice a week.

                        Now a Welsh pony of the same age I suspect to be half the weight (maybe a third) at 12 hands, which still isn't much of a burden, but the proportions definitely make a difference, especially as you get to introducing a vehicle. Riding wise I wouldn't sit on anything before three, but while driving is less physically demanding it is a LOT more mentally challenging!

                        With her semi-feral state I echo others in finding someone who will work with you and the filly together on basic manners and handling. There will be plenty to do with that over the winter and then she'll be coming three and getting more devloped both physically and mentally.

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X