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  • Sad news;

    http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/...INQyB60nvWzRO/
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    Horrible story. Feel bad for the families and friends.

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    • #3
      I knew Christian. Amazing talent with horses, great wit, zany guy who lit up any room he walked into. Any parent would be proud to claim him as their son. The Iowa community who watched him develop from 10 to 18 is devastated at this senseless loss.
      pace, path, balance, impulsion and ??

      Don't panic! Ralph Leroy Hill

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      • #4
        This has been all over my Facebook feed - such a tragedy. Robert Dover is ramping up a “get home safe” program, organizing cars and drivers, and recruiting “celebrity bouncers” to encourage people at a couple of Wellington’s most popular night spots to take advantage of free rides home.

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        • #5
          Someone set up a gofundme for the survivor.

          http://equnews.com/miscellaneous/gof...-in-car-crash/

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          • #6
            I have to wonder about the parents of these young adults, how can you allow your child to work in a career that is high risk without medical insurance?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
              I have to wonder about the parents of these young adults, how can you allow your child to work in a career that is high risk without medical insurance?
              Being from Ireland that might have been somewhat difficult to obtain. My old insurance covered me out of the country like it was out-of-network, but my new insurance would cover nothing. I don't know the laws about residency and getting insurance while you are working here, but I imagine it is somewhat difficult or really expensive to have insurance while in another country.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TwoRoads View Post

                Being from Ireland that might have been somewhat difficult to obtain. My old insurance covered me out of the country like it was out-of-network, but my new insurance would cover nothing. I don't know the laws about residency and getting insurance while you are working here, but I imagine it is somewhat difficult or really expensive to have insurance while in another country.
                It is so important though, clearly as we see here. It is a risk that no one should take, especially when you have a career that relys on your physicality.

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                • #9


                  This is very sad but 100% preventable. Don't speed, don't drink.

                  My sympathies to those who lost a friend and family. Senseless, so awful.

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                    Is there no Grooms Association in Ireland or the US ?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SendenHorse View Post

                      This is very sad but 100% preventable. Don't speed, don't drink.

                      My sympathies to those who lost a friend and family. Senseless, so awful.
                      And wear the frickin' seatbelts. (Might not have made a difference in this case, but it usually does.)

                      I am torn - some are commenting that while the limo program is good, it might be useful to additionally DISCOURAGE the heavy partying and drinking, rather than set it up along the lines of, "Go ahead, get wasted, we've got your back." Sigh.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                        I have to wonder about the parents of these young adults, how can you allow your child to work in a career that is high risk without medical insurance?
                        she is an adult and the parents have no say in her health insurance. Many young people do not get health insurance because of the cost.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                          And wear the frickin' seatbelts. (Might not have made a difference in this case, but it usually does.)

                          I am torn - some are commenting that while the limo program is good, it might be useful to additionally DISCOURAGE the heavy partying and drinking, rather than set it up along the lines of, "Go ahead, get wasted, we've got your back." Sigh.
                          This was miss reported. They all were wearing seat belts. They thought they were not because the EMT's, firemen were very close to the scene of the accident and heard the crash. They unbuckled them trying to administer care. There are also rumors going around that the driver was drunk which she was not. The 2 passengers had been drinking so got a ride from this gal.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by China Doll View Post

                            she is an adult and the parents have no say in her health insurance. Many young people do not get health insurance because of the cost.
                            As parents with a child working overseas, would you not encourage and do this for your child though? 19 is hardly an adult nowadays. I guess Insurance doesnt look so expensive next to the millions of dollars of medical bills she will have,

                            No excuse. If you cant afford the lifestyle, do something else or find a way. Now countless other people are paying for her recovery, and thank God for them.

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                              Wouldn't the person at fault's insurance pay ?
                              I wouldn't call grooming a lifestyle worth money, and those used to free healthcare would not typically buy insurance that they cannot afford.
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                              • #16
                                It should be covered under the no fault insurance of the driver. Or it would be in NY. I'm not sure what FL laws are.

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                                  https://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/car-insurance.php
                                  FL Auto Insurance Requirements

                                  Florida is a no-fault insurance state. If you are injured in an accident, your car insurance will pay your medical costs up to your policy's limits, regardless of who caused the accident.

                                  The minimum limits for Florida car insurance coverage are:
                                  • $10,000 of no-fault or personal injury protection (PIP) insurance.
                                  • $10,000 of property damage liability (PDL) insurance.
                                  Personal Injury Protection

                                  In addition to covering your part of any medical expenses and income loss that result from a car accident, your Personal Injury Protection, or PIP, insurance will also cover:
                                  • Your child and other members of your household.
                                  • Your child (when he or she is riding on a school bus).
                                  • You (when you are a pedestrian or bicyclist involved in a car accident.)
                                  • Passengers in your car who do not have their own PIP insurance and do not own a car.

                                  Anyone in your car who has PIP car insurance will be covered by his or her own policy if you get in a car accident. Likewise, your PIP car insurance will cover you while you are a passenger in someone else's car.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                    As parents with a child working overseas, would you not encourage and do this for your child though? 19 is hardly an adult nowadays. I guess Insurance doesnt look so expensive next to the millions of dollars of medical bills she will have,

                                    No excuse. If you cant afford the lifestyle, do something else or find a way. Now countless other people are paying for her recovery, and thank God for them.
                                    The article I read said she was 24 even with insurance there are so many other expenses. Like her bills while not being able to work. Her parents may not be able to work while in the US or during rehab.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                      Wouldn't the person at fault's insurance pay ?
                                      I wouldn't call grooming a lifestyle worth money, and those used to free healthcare would not typically buy insurance that they cannot afford.
                                      I am sure it will end up in a lawsuit. The drivers insurance would be minimal coverage.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by China Doll View Post

                                        This was miss reported. They all were wearing seat belts. They thought they were not because the EMT's, firemen were very close to the scene of the accident and heard the crash. They unbuckled them trying to administer care. There are also rumors going around that the driver was drunk which she was not. The 2 passengers had been drinking so got a ride from this gal.
                                        link?
                                        How are we supposed to know what to believe? why is Robert Dover insisting on a taxi service then if they were not actually drinking? He knows the deceased.

                                        a high rate of speed is always a BAD IDEA, no matter if they were drinking.

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