• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Event Announcements now available FREE to all registered users

We just reconfigured the Event Announcements forum to be available as a free service for all registered forum users. See the thread stuck at the top of that forum for more information.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Western saddle for dressage horse

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Western saddle for dressage horse

    I'd like to use a western saddle for enhanced security while my young horse and I start out.

    I have fallen off twice and this can't continue. I otherwise love my Bates dressage saddle but I need something else for now.

    Is there such a thing as a close contact western saddle?

    Ideas?

  • #2
    You might like an Australian saddle - they have the security of a western saddle but without the horn and more of an English look. Several friends of mine migrated to Australian saddles when they got older or got younger horses. Depending on where you live they can be easier or harder to find.

    With a western one I've followed the advice given to me to avoid barrel racing saddles, as they are designed to put your legs forward and tilt your butt back for high speed runs. Saddles designed for trail riding or ranch work usually put you in a seat not unlike a dressage seat.

    That said, now that I have a youngster I seem to be rediscovering the long lost art of falling off myself, and that's WITH a western saddle!

    Comment


    • #3
      I find I have a good secure seat and close contact in my borrowed wintec western saddle. It is one of their original "all 'rounders" with a semi-qh bar and it fits my high withered saddlebred adequately with the addition of a 3/8" wool felt pad on top of the regular western pad. The stirrup fenders have quite a bit of "swing" and don't hold your leg in one position as some western saddles do. The seat is secure and open enough for me to sit up on my seat bones and really be straight and correct. My horse actually feels my seat aids to collect his canter better in this saddle than any other.

      Best of all they are relatively cheap, especially if you look for used.

      Comment


      • #4
        Abetas are similar to the Wintecs and sometimes cheaper. If you're being thrown forward too far the extra pommel of the western saddle really helps, even if you go "hornless". Post a sign at a tack store and someone may lend you a saddle - also ask your farrier.

        Comment


        • #5
          BUMP

          I'm on the same search. Looking for a 16" western to ride out my OTTBs antics and then use my dressage for shows

          Comment


          • #6
            The McCall Lady Wade and Lady Pendeleton are close contact western saddles. Not cheap: Brand new mine was $2500 about seven years ago. There are other makers/models that have close contact because there is a cut out skirt under the stirrup. I have a Crates now that has this. Still doesn't give me the same contact as my dressage saddle, but great for this ol' gal when riding thru a "problem"...
            Good luck in your search.
            "And I will be an embarrassment to all
            Who have not found the peace in being free
            to have a horse as a best friend."

            Comment


            • #7
              I bought a used Billy Cook cutting saddle - puts me in the same position as my old Stubben Romanus. Close to my old Bates Haute Ecole. I also use another western saddle - it is an o-l-d Simco "cutter trainer". Doesn't feel so much like my dressage saddles, but doesn't put me out of position, either, and has a 'pillow seat' that helps you stay on top when the horse underneath you is gyrating.
              Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                Thanks for the responses!

                I bought an inexpensive Australian saddle that had great reviews but felt like I was perching on top of my horse. That and the complete cheesiness of the construction just put me off.

                I found this Wintec western saddle that doesn't look too bad:

                http://www.ozarkranchsupplies.com/st...096823555.html

                Price is certainly low.

                How does one figure out fitting?

                Comment


                • #9
                  aussie saddles are like any saddle. A cheap one is likely going to be cheap and no good for horse or rider.

                  I don't feel more secure in a western saddle than a dressage saddle, but I do feel more secure by far in a good Australian saddle. So if you can't find a western one that suits don't give up on aussie saddles, some are wooonnnderful

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Funny ... I was just looking for an additional western saddle. I have only one and would like another.

                    If you want the feel of a dressage saddle in a western saddle, check out a barrel racing saddle. It has a deeper seat, higher cantle and narrower twist than a traditional western saddle. I like the Big Horn brand for durablility, cost and price. It is not as cheesy as the typical synthetic saddles and has leather seat, pommel and horn.

                    JMHO

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      So one recommendation against barrel saddles and one for. Yikes.


                      Aven- I think I agree with you - re the quality. I saw pictures of some Toowoombas and Syd Hills that looked great.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Antaeus View Post
                        The McCall Lady Wade and Lady Pendeleton are close contact western saddles. Not cheap: Brand new mine was $2500 about seven years ago. There are other makers/models that have close contact because there is a cut out skirt under the stirrup. I have a Crates now that has this. Still doesn't give me the same contact as my dressage saddle, but great for this ol' gal when riding thru a "problem"...
                        Good luck in your search.
                        Ditto on the McCall Lady Wade. Dressage like seat. Close Contact. Quality saddle but not cheap. I paid $2000 for mine used but I'll never ever sell it.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          So one recommendation against barrel saddles and one for. Yikes.
                          Would you expect less? This is a dressage board, after all.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I love my Champion Turf, but if money were no object I would have a Blue Ribbon work saddle- they are custom but really hold you in the correct position.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zwarte View Post
                              How does one figure out fitting?
                              Western Saddles are most commonly found in semi-QH (read standard or medium) bars and full QH (read wide) bars. It has to do with the angle of the bars, not the gullet width as some people measure. That is, you can have a semi-QH tree and a full QH tree with the same gullet width.

                              Most TB types would need a semi-QH tree. I don't have WBs but I would think it would depend on their build. If your horse takes a wide tree dressage saddle try a full QH bar. Like English saddles, the western saddle should sit fairly level. If it's too wide the pommel will sit down on your horse's withers; if it's too narrow the bars will press into the muscles behind your horse's shoulders. An almost right but slightly wide fit can be adjusted with pads more easily than an English saddle. As I stated above, my horse has shark fin withers and almost no western saddle fits with the proper wither clearance by itself. I have to use a special pad to fill in the hollows behind his withers and then add a thin wool felt pad on top of that to gain enough wither clearance. Like an English saddle, you should have 2-3 fingers clearance under the pommel, but as long as it doesn't touch your horse's withers when you are in it and he is working you're fine--the western trees spread out your weight differently than English trees.

                              For you, a 15 inch western seat is the equivalent of a 17 inch English saddle. That said, you really should sit in a bunch to see what you like in a Western Saddle. My wintec all-rounder is a 15 inch seat and it fits me well; I feel secure but not held in. However, in a deeper barrel or equitation seat western saddle I prefer a 15.5 inch seat.

                              Good luck!
                              Last edited by cmdrcltr; Jul. 9, 2010, 07:41 AM. Reason: typo; clarification

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by MidlifeCrisis View Post
                                Ditto on the McCall Lady Wade. Dressage like seat. Close Contact. Quality saddle but not cheap. I paid $2000 for mine used but I'll never ever sell it.
                                Ditto this again. Really well balanced and excellent feel.

                                Actually, a Wade tree saddle doesn't have to be a McCall. In fact, most of the hand, custom makers are better, but also much more spendy. McCall is perhaps the best of the less expensive ones, and is very practical.

                                Colorado Saddlery seems to make a decent saddle, including Wades, but also other real using models. Working saddles will have better balance than many of the pleasure type saddles.
                                "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                                Spay and neuter. Please.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Zwarte View Post
                                  I'd like to use a western saddle for enhanced security while my young horse and I start out.

                                  I have fallen off twice and this can't continue. I otherwise love my Bates dressage saddle but I need something else for now.

                                  Is there such a thing as a close contact western saddle?

                                  Ideas?
                                  YES!!! I am just getting back into western and starting reining and I've tried a few saddles. Donn Leson has been making saddles since 1966, his wife is a dressage trainer and after talking with him about seat, weight and leg placement I'm thoroughly convinced he's makes the closest contact western saddle out there. Plus, the two top reiners I've talked with have recommended him AND a big time western distributor I know from Holland spoke VERY highly of him as well. His custom saddles are upwards of $17,000 but he has a Reinmaker which I rode in twice now (LOVE IT!) for $3995.

                                  I started out western as a kid riding pleasure classes, barrels, then on to team penning, then to dressage competing through Grand Prix and have ridden in lots of different types of western and dressage saddles and this is by far the closest thing to a well fitting dressage saddle close contact feel I've received. It's still just my opinion of course but I think I've been in enough to have a pretty subject review.

                                  No I don't sell them altho this post might sound like a sales pitch. His website is http://www.lesonsaddles.com/reinmaker.php and he's just a lovely gentleman to speak with.

                                  Best of luck to you!

                                  angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
                                  @AngeleaKelly on Facebook & Twitter
                                  @HorseGirlTV on Facebook & Twitter

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Zwarte View Post
                                    So one recommendation against barrel saddles and one for. Yikes.


                                    Aven- I think I agree with you - re the quality. I saw pictures of some Toowoombas and Syd Hills that looked great.
                                    Barrel saddle could tend to lock you in or put you in a chair seat. If you're looking to find close contact that won't interfere with your dressage seat I'd say stick with a quality reining saddle like the Leson. Oh and they also have this "Security Blanket" that keeps your saddle from slipping (common in the spins), forms to your horse, breaths and just needs hosing off. I just got mine this week and am looking forward to trying it out. I have a feeling it's a similar technology but with a different approach to the ThinLine (which I love my Thinline Half Pad). It's also on the website link I sent you in my previous post.

                                    Good luck!

                                    Now I'm off to take my dressage mare jumping then pack for the reining futurity tomorrow! Haha!

                                    angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
                                    @AngeleaKelly on Facebook & Twitter
                                    @HorseGirlTV on Facebook & Twitter

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I had a McCall Wade, that fit the QH just fine and I loved it, but it didn't fit my Arab at all. It was close to $2, 400 k, no tooling.Then my friend who is Jack Brainard's business manager had me try this : http://www.jackbrainard.com/SaddleInfo.html
                                      I sold the McCall and bought one of these. I actually have 2 as Jack was kind enough to sell me the prototype after I used it at his place. Theses saddles fit my Trakehner, my Arab and 2 very different QH's with pad tweeking. You can customize them and they are between $1500 and
                                      $2,000 depending on fanciness and additions like back cinch and breast collar. They are a reining type design. Too , the fenders are adjustable so you can put your leg in the classical place ! For the money, I don't think you can find a better quality saddle. I haven't found a horse this saddle didn't fit. Love , love my Jack saddle !
                                      Last edited by AZ Native; Jul. 10, 2010, 11:11 AM. Reason: spelling.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        I had a nice little western Wintec that I used for breaking the youngsters. Worked great and the balance allowed me to ride in a dressage seat. Plus I can't lift "real" western saddles on to WBs & TBs...

                                        Definitely liked having more saddle when someone decided to have "brat attack"...lol.

                                        Good luck.
                                        Seb
                                        Aca-Believe it!!

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X