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  • The entire USEF Proposal

    To prevent further misunderstanding or confusion, here is the entire proposal as handed out at the USDF Convention:

    PERFORMANCE STANDARDS PROPOSAL
    Revised 8/3/07

    After gathering comments and feedback for several years from officials and exhibitors, the USEF Dressage Committee would like to implement a system of rider qualification through the dressage levels called “Performance Standards”. This system, inspired by existing European models, would only apply for riders competing at Third Level and above beginning with the 2010 competition year. The mission of Performance Standards is to fully prepare riders with positive competitive experiences in order to be able to successfully move up the levels, while supporting the welfare of the horse.

    The Levels will be named:
    Training – Second: BASIC
    Third/Fourth: MEDIUM
    Prix St. Georges/Intermediare I: ADVANCED
    Intermediare II/Grand Prix: INTERNATIONAL

    An Asterisk (*) will be added to denote a foreign rider.

    POINTS:
    *There will be no negative points

    60% - 62.99% One Point
    63% - 65.99% Two Points
    66% - 68.99% Three Points
    69.00% & above Four Points

    Points will be earned at USEF/USDF or FEI recognized competitions. Points can not be earned in dressage classes, sections or divisions in USEF Regular Competitions (restricted breed competitions). Freestyle scores and FEI Young Horse Tests do not count towards points. Any test of the level may be used to accumulate points. FEI tests (junior, young rider etc) can accumulate points as ‘equivalent’ national levels. Thes equivalent levels are shown on a chart in the USEF rule book DR 119.2. At least two rides must be of the highest test of the level. These points will track with the rider, not with the horse. Once the rider has earned a designation, it will be permanent. There will be no need to re-qualify.

    This system does not apply to dressage classes, sections or divisions in regular competitions. (In other words there are no qualifying requirements to show at breed shows in dressage divisions).

    Riders may enter any USEF Training, First or Second Level class at a recognized competition without any qualifying points. Riders may also ride the following FEI Tests at recognized competitions without any qualifying point: FEI Pony, USEF Four-Year-Old, FEI Five-Year-Old, and the FEI Six-Year-Old tests.

    You may move up in the middle of the season, once the scores are verified by USDF. You may not move up in the middle of a show.

    In order for qualifying points to be recorded, the rider must be a USDF Participating Member and a USEF Member at the time the points are earned. Membership blanks are available from USDF (location) and USEF (location). Verification of membership (membership numbers and cards) from USEF/USDF must be received by the rider before points may be accumulated.

    If the rider has been ‘grandfathered’ into the system and plans to ride Third Level or above at a recognized show (USDF, USEF or FEI), they must be a USDF Participating Member and a USEF Member in order to compete at those levels.

    The following system will apply for recognized competitions:

    Training, First, Second Level: NO QUALIFYING NEEDED (BASIC LEVEL)

    To move from Second Level to Third/Fourth Level: (MEDIUM LEVEL) A rider will need 20 points from three different USEF judges. A panel (of two or more) will count as ONE judge. There will be no limit on points a rider can receive from any panel of 2, 3 or 5 judges. At least two of the tests used for points must be from Second Level Test Four. The remainder of the points may be from any Second Level test.

    To move from Third/Fourth Level to Prix St. Georges/Intermediaire I: (ADVANCED LEVEL) A rider will need 10 points from THREE different USEF judges. Same rule for panels as above. At least two of the tests used for points must be from Fourth Level Test Three. The remainder of the points may be from either Third or Fourth Level Tests.

    To move from Prix St. Georges/Intermediare I to Intermediaire II/Grand Prix: (INTERNATIONAL LEVEL) A rider will need 8 points from THREE different USEF/FEI judges. Same rule for panels as above. At least two of the tests used for points must be from Intermediaire I. The remainder of the points may be from Prix St. Georges.
    ONLY FEI Juniors, FEI Young Riders, Brentina Cup riders, and Developing Horse Riders who are entering U.S. National Championship or NAJYRC QUALIFYING shows are exempt from qualifying to compete.

    FOREIGN RIDERS: May qualify using the USEF System as long as membership requirements are met. Or, the rider may prove competition ability with a letter from their National Federation. This proof must be submitted to Jennifer Keeler at USEF.

    GRANDFATHERING:
    1. If you have appeared on a long list form 1999-Nov. 30, 2009 with USET/USEF you will be allowed to compete at any level
    2. If you have competed at the festival of Champions from 19856 to Nov. 30. 2009 you will be allowed to compete at any level
    3. USDF Bronze Medal winners from 1974 to Nov. 30, 2009 will be allowed to compete at the MEDIUM level
    4. USDF Silver Medal winners from 1974 to Nov. 30, 2009 will be allowed to compete at the ADVANCED level and below.
    5. USDF Gold Medal winners from 1974 to Nov. 30, 2009 will be allowed to compete at the INTERNATIONAL level and below.
    6. Active USEF judges (listed in the USEF judges roster as of Nov. 30, 2009) will be grandfathered as follows:
    *”r” Dressage Judges may compete at the MEDIUM LEVEL
    *”R” Dressage Judges may compete at the ADVANCED LEVEL
    *”S” Dressage Judges may compete at the INTERNATIONAL LEVEL and below

    NOTE: Grandfathering is a one-time exemption and will end Nov. 30, 2009

    APPEALS PROCESS:
    In the case of an eligibility dispute with a rider, a committee will be formed from the following committees: Three members of the USEF Technical Dressage Committee and Two members of the USEF High Performance Dressage Committee. The members of this committee shall be appointed by the respective Chairs of the two committees. There shall be two members (one from each committee) appointed as alternates in the case of a conflict of interest. These members shall meet when necessary via teleconference. A member of the USDF staff shall also be on the call. Paper proof of eligibility via records (copies of tests, medal certificates etc.) must be submitted from the rider to the committee.

    USEF/USDF Membership cards will carry the rider’s designation. This designation will only be available on USDF/USEF websites.

    TIMELINE:

    *January 2008: Rule changes approved at USEF Annual Meeting

    *February through April 2008: Development of USEF/USDF Business Plan and Grandfathering Process
    1. USEF/USDF Business Plan is developed to identify and formalize the responsibilities of both organizations.
    2. Grandfathered riders are flagged in the USDF database. Grandfathered list is received from USEF along with member numbers and a matching up of these riders and flagging in the USDF database is performed both electronically and manually, as necessary.

    *May through September 2008: USDF Coding and Programming, Public Relations Campaign Development
    1. Coding and programming for this project will take approximately 3-4 months based on current workload and projects. Since this will affect the USDF website, USEF data exchange, and USDF’s main working database, this will require on-going monitoring during the programming phase to ensure that normal services and functions are not affected by the additional programming.
    2. Public relations and marketing strategies will have to be developed with USDF and USEF in order to ensure that all effected riders are aware of this requirement.

    *October 2008: Begin implementation
    1. Pilot run through, testing and debugging
    2. Introduction of verification process of public and public relations plan implementation

    *December 2008: Begin one year of “voluntary compliance”

    *December 2009: Plan goes into effect at start of 2010 Competition Year

  • #2
    I have been an exhibitor for 22 years and I have never been asked for feedback (as stated in the above info--"After gathering comments and feedback for several years from officials and exhibitors") in any way, formal or informal, regarding this proposal except for the past several days after I emailed Janet and other members of the USEF Dressage Committee. Janet has been discussing it over email--I also did get short replies (e.g. "we'll talk about it at the USDF Convention") from Axel Steiner and Carol Lavell, also from the Region 1 rep Alison Head.

    If you look at the Rule Change Proposal on the USEF website, you will see that the Proposal (general, not details) was submitted in August (I think August 3 or something like that). That was before that video was made at the ESDCTA Symposium in October 07, where Janet talks about it a little bit.

    The membership of USEF and USDF have not been polled or questioned about this, as far as I know. Anyone else?

    Refer to other thread about this issue--on this BB

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    • #3
      feedback

      I have been a participating member for approximately 20 years and have never been asked for any feedback on rule changes or anything else.

      I also noticed this, which I had missed when I first read the proposal last week:

      "You may move up in the middle of the season, once the scores are verified by USDF. You may not move up in the middle of a show."

      Considering that the closing dates are many weeks before a competition, this is what will happen... There either won't be any openings left in the classes you want to move up into and, even if there are, you will get hit with post-entry fees. Definitely a lose-lose situation.

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      • #4
        Thanks yaya. Can points be rolled over to the next year? What's your take?

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        • #5
          "After gathering comments and feedback for several years from officials and exhibitors, the USEF Dressage Committee would like to implement a system of rider qualification through the dressage levels called “Performance Standards”. " -- perhaps the Committee takes a poll in Wellington each year?
          Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

          The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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          • #6
            I dont' think that's fair.

            Proposed rule changes are posted on the USEF website.

            This proposed rule change has been discussed at the USDF Annual Convention each year. There is also a large USEF Proposed Rule Change Forum at the Convention each year, where ANYONE can voice their opinion directly to the USEF Dressage Committe, to help the committee decide where the USDF stands on various proposals.

            If you cannot make it to the convention yourself, as a GM member, you are hopefully represented by your GMO delegates who vote at the BOG. If your GMO doesn't send a delegate, then either join one who does, or offer to represent your GMO yourself. And if you are a PM who doesn't belong to a GMO, you are hopefully electing PM delegates each year to voice your opinion for you. And you should certainly feel free to email your PM delegates and let them know your thoughts.

            I believe, although I haven't looked, that much of what is discussed in the Convention is available through the USDF website. (At least I believe it should be as a non-profit.)

            The information is there if you chose to look for it. however, the expense of contacting every member of these organizations personally, as well as tallying those responses would put the cost of your memberships through the roof.

            If you truly want to do something about it, rather than just gripe on a web board about it, get active! (That's what I did!)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DontTellMama View Post
              I dont' think that's fair..............If you truly want to do something about it, rather than just gripe on a web board about it, get active! (That's what I did!)
              like secretary of GMO?

              like volunteer co-ordinator for regional champ. show?

              like usef TD?


              been there - done that - got the t-shirt
              Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

              The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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              • #8
                This is going to be a MAJOR PROBLEM ( I am censoring myself) for eventers at, or moving up to, Advanced.

                Eventers go to "straight" dressage shows to improve thier performance in the dressage phase of Eventing.

                Since the Advanced Dressage Tests include flying changes, the only way (outside the event itself) to work on your dressage test UNDER TRUE COMPETITION CONDITIONS is to compete at Third Level.

                In some parts of the country, you can do a Third Level test under a GOOD R or S judge at a schooling show. But in MOST of the country, the only way you are going to get such a judge at Third Level is at a recognized dressage show.

                Many of the top Advanced horses in the country would have to stop evening entirely to get enough points to competer at Third.

                They are not going to do that. The consequence will be that fewer upper level eventers will go to recognozed dressage shows.

                This is NOT going to improve the quality of eventing dressage.
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                • #9
                  I DID call the president of my GMO after this all started coming out--on Sunday the 4th, the last day of the USDF convention. I asked why the representatives of my GMO (there were 5 of them) didn't poll or otherwise ask the GMO membership how they should vote or discuss in order to make the membership's wishes known concerning this issue. She told me that the GMO representatives hadn't heard about this before going to the convention, plus things come up at the convention that hadn't been anticipated before the representatives leave.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SGray View Post
                    like secretary of GMO?

                    like volunteer co-ordinator for regional champ. show?

                    like usef TD?


                    been there - done that - got the t-shirt
                    Well, to suggest the committee "takes a poll in Wellington each year" is wrong, and statements like that are just spreading misinformation to people who don't know any better.

                    It's easy to throw up your hands, as working for something you believe in as a vounteer can be extremely frustrating.

                    But the Dressage Committee IS available, through email, or in person at the Convention.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rebecca yount View Post
                      I DID call the president of my GMO after this all started coming out--on Sunday the 4th, the last day of the USDF convention. I asked why the representatives of my GMO (there were 5 of them) didn't poll or otherwise ask the GMO membership how they should vote or discuss in order to make the membership's wishes known concerning this issue. She told me that the GMO representatives hadn't heard about this before going to the convention, plus things come up at the convention that hadn't been anticipated before the representatives leave.
                      This proposal was brought up last year at the Convention, as well as the year before. This proposal was also on the agenda I believe. This has not been held by any means as a secret.

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                      • #12
                        my wellington comment was a reference to the other thread on this subject wherein a BNjudge told poster "that if you can't meet the Wellington standards, don't show."
                        Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                        The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DontTellMama View Post
                          I dont' think that's fair.

                          Proposed rule changes are posted on the USEF website.

                          This proposed rule change has been discussed at the USDF Annual Convention each year. There is also a large USEF Proposed Rule Change Forum at the Convention each year, where ANYONE can voice their opinion directly to the USEF Dressage Committe, to help the committee decide where the USDF stands on various proposals.

                          If you cannot make it to the convention yourself, as a GM member, you are hopefully represented by your GMO delegates who vote at the BOG. If your GMO doesn't send a delegate, then either join one who does, or offer to represent your GMO yourself. And if you are a PM who doesn't belong to a GMO, you are hopefully electing PM delegates each year to voice your opinion for you. And you should certainly feel free to email your PM delegates and let them know your thoughts.

                          I believe, although I haven't looked, that much of what is discussed in the Convention is available through the USDF website. (At least I believe it should be as a non-profit.)

                          The information is there if you chose to look for it. however, the expense of contacting every member of these organizations personally, as well as tallying those responses would put the cost of your memberships through the roof.

                          If you truly want to do something about it, rather than just gripe on a web board about it, get active! (That's what I did!)
                          This is posted on the USEF website? really. The only data I was able to find on the website was the proposal that there BE a system to require qualifications to move up, and the Dressage Committee will be providing the specifics. Nothing there about the specifics, I actually had been looking since the discussions regarding the proposal last month.

                          I am unable to attend the conventions since I am on a limited budget for all things horse. The trip would come out of my very small training budget, and I'm unwilling to make that sacrifice, same as I am unwilling to take money to attend Rolex out of my training budget.

                          Were the GMO's supplied a copy of this prior to showing up at the convention so they could discuss it with their members? I seroiusly doubt it.

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                          • #14
                            Please will someone "dumb-down" the process here for those of us who want to OPPOSE this completely absurd and assinine rule change proposal?

                            Who do I need to contact to tell them this is a crappy idea? How many times do I need to contact them? Should I call? write a letter? I have also been a member for quite a while and have never been asked for input.

                            It's like a bunch of top riders got together and said "hey let's make up this new rule....it won't effect us so who cares"
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                            "There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ja Da Dee View Post
                              This is posted on the USEF website? really. The only data I was able to find on the website was the proposal that there BE a system to require qualifications to move up, and the Dressage Committee will be providing the specifics. Nothing there about the specifics, I actually had been looking since the discussions regarding the proposal last month.

                              I am unable to attend the conventions since I am on a limited budget for all things horse. The trip would come out of my very small training budget, and I'm unwilling to make that sacrifice, same as I am unwilling to take money to attend Rolex out of my training budget.

                              Were the GMO's supplied a copy of this prior to showing up at the convention so they could discuss it with their members? I seroiusly doubt it.
                              There are many of us on limited budgets. I will let you know there was also a discussion regarding stipends for PM delegates to attend, which would be nice. Just some of us feel strongly enough to make the sacrifice to be at the convention, so that our voices can be heard.

                              I don't know the details of who was provided what, but the GMO's that have attended the convention the past couple of years should have been aware of it, as it was made fairly public at that time during more than one forum.

                              The USDF can only do so much to hold people's hands. The GMO's, and the members themselves must take SOME responsibility for being a part of the community.

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                              • #16
                                I am on the BoD of a GMO, and I closely follow the rule change proposals. This is the first I have heard thye details.
                                I am in contact with the rest of the board to see if they knew but didn't share, but I doubt it.
                                Janet

                                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by DontTellMama View Post
                                  Just some of us feel strongly enough to make the sacrifice to be at the convention, so that our voices can be heard.
                                  At the risk of sounding cantankerous, not everyone can make the sacrifice, and I mean that literally. Not only is there the travel, food, lodging expense, but (in many cases) people would have to take time off from their jobs and (if they have their horse(s) at home), they would have the added expense of finding a caretaker while away. If any of their income comes from teaching/training, there is another financial kick in the butt. Again, this is a terribly elitist attitude, which is what's getting people in such an uproar with this proposal to begin with. It has nothing to do with feeling strongly about something--clearly, many of us feel quite strongly about this issue. However, a lot of us don't have the means to attend these meetings, so the votes are being made by people who really do NOT represent the grassroots community (i.e. the foundation of dressage).

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DontTellMama View Post
                                    This proposal was brought up last year at the Convention, as well as the year before. This proposal was also on the agenda I believe. This has not been held by any means as a secret.
                                    Not true. Rumors and whisperings of some sort of qualifications for progressing have been around, but this is the first time they have actually presented something on paper as an actual proposal.

                                    As for it being on the agenda, all that was listed was "USEF Dressage Committee open meeting", and that's on the agenda every year. The actual topic of the meeting is not posted ahead of time.

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                                    • #19
                                      You know the phrase "limited budget" has so many different meetings. There is a woman at our barn who spent more to ship her horses to the Morgan Horse Nationals last year than I spend on my entire show budget.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DontTellMama View Post
                                        There are many of us on limited budgets. I will let you know there was also a discussion regarding stipends for PM delegates to attend, which would be nice.
                                        Our region DOES provide a small stipend for PM delegates, and has for several years.

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