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Can an American earn a Bereiter?

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  • Can an American earn a Bereiter?

    Let's face it, America does not have a comprehensive system for teaching riders to train and coach. But Germany does...

    Could I (an American) go to the German Riding School in Warendorf and earn my Bereiter? Anyone done this?
    When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

  • #2
    There are some American riders who have done so.
    Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

    Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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      #3
      Do you know if they went to the German Riding School, or was it due to competition results?

      Do you know of one that I could perhaps e-mail and get some more information about the process?
      When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

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      • #4
        Absolutely. I know a few who took some time to study in Germany and earned their bereiter status. I don't know the details of their experience, only that they spent a substantial amount of time living, working and learning there.
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        • #5
          Well it is certainly possible but the apprenticeship takes 3 yrs plus I figure you'd have some paperwork to apply for in order to get a working permit.The schooling can happen with any certified Pferdewirtschaftsmeister.Nowadays you would finish Pferdewirt Schwerpunkt Reiten but the meaning is the same.Best approach might be to contact the FN with an inquiry as the APO is changeing every now and then.Much like the LPO which organizes the shows.
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          • #6
            Also, the Chamber of Agriculture in each state overseas the examination preceedings, as well as the agricultural aspects of the barn life. They, too might have some info for you.

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              Is it possible to work with a Pferdewirtschaftsmeister here in the states (are there any?) and go and take the test in Germany?
              When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fizzyfuzzybuzzy View Post
                Is it possible to work with a Pferdewirtschaftsmeister here in the states (are there any?) and go and take the test in Germany?
                We do have a few here...

                http://www.topriding.net/index.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by fizzyfuzzybuzzy View Post
                  Is it possible to work with a Pferdewirtschaftsmeister here in the states (are there any?) and go and take the test in Germany?
                  I would say no as this is a so called dual system. Appart from your practical work you have to attend school as far as I know. Plus it should be at least two tests with 1,5 years appart.
                  Those Pferdewirtschaftsmeister living in the US are not supervised by the FN (And since this is an official profession aeducation I would say it is also supervised by some or the other governmental authority - I'd guess the ministery of aggriculture).
                  I know of people over here that do this kind of education/test without these three years, but they have to prove a lot of things on their own education. e.g. a certain time that they worked as a horse (riding) person with written "recommendations" of the emnployer. etc.
                  Bottomline: you have to figure out how to partly immegrate to germany and spend quite a long time. Plus they have tests/Checks prior to the apprenticeship because not everyone will make it (You have to be able to do a good Class L dressage (should be level 2 US) and equivalent in jumping. And you have to do both as far as I know in that apprenticeship jumping and dressage.
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                  • #10
                    Requirements leaflet; http://www.pferd-aktuell.de/TOP-FN-S...im_Pferdesport

                    (It's a lot easier to read if you have Google Chrome with the automatic translation.)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alexandra View Post
                      I would say no as this is a so called dual system. Appart from your practical work you have to attend school as far as I know. Plus it should be at least two tests with 1,5 years appart.
                      Those Pferdewirtschaftsmeister living in the US are not supervised by the FN (And since this is an official profession aeducation I would say it is also supervised by some or the other governmental authority - I'd guess the ministery of aggriculture).
                      I know of people over here that do this kind of education/test without these three years, but they have to prove a lot of things on their own education. e.g. a certain time that they worked as a horse (riding) person with written "recommendations" of the emnployer. etc.
                      Bottomline: you have to figure out how to partly immegrate to germany and spend quite a long time. Plus they have tests/Checks prior to the apprenticeship because not everyone will make it (You have to be able to do a good Class L dressage (should be level 2 US) and equivalent in jumping. And you have to do both as far as I know in that apprenticeship jumping and dressage.

                      The only way to find out is to contact - not the FN - but a Chamber of Agriculture (landwirtschaftskammer), any state (bundesland) has one. Those are the people who oversee the examinations.

                      There are regulations about a meister/Master keeping apprentices. But I am not familiar with those, I am sure they don't apply to barns outside of Germany.

                      So to get your 'Bereiter' you have to plan on staying at least 2 years, with lousy pay, long hours etc...
                      On the plus side, you will be at a show about every weekend.

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                      • #12
                        And I am guessing you need to be pretty fluent in German as well.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                          ...So to get your 'Bereiter' you have to plan on staying at least 2 years, with lousy pay, long hours etc...
                          On the plus side, you will be at a show about every weekend.
                          Well my guess is more that you will be at home every weekend looking after the young horses left at home !

                          The pretty fleunt in German thing I guess would be overcome quit fast if you are really forced to speak german ...
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                          2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
                          May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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                          • #14
                            For Germans there is a special artical working
                            Artical 45 it is I think.

                            If you worked at least 4,5 years as a Pferdewirt and have prove of that you can a apply to do the test. I have no idea if thats working for you but I do know some people who did their test like that.

                            You have to be really good, because i got the impression that the judges are a little bit harder on the do-it-yourself people.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by alexandra View Post
                              Well my guess is more that you will be at home every weekend looking after the young horses left at home !
                              I guess it depends on the setup, either way you are working.
                              met a girl she was learning from a trader, naturally every weekend they loaded up the truck with the merchendize, she rode some, but she did the grooming, too.

                              The pretty fleunt in German thing I guess would be overcome quit fast if you are really forced to speak german ...
                              LOL, nothing that can't be cured with a couple of beers.

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