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I'm so sick of armchair trainers!

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  • I'm so sick of armchair trainers!

    From those who think they could have handled Anky's accident better, to those who think they can diagnose all of a rider's problems by looking at a picture or 10-second video or reading a brief post on the internet, there are armchair trainers all over the internet. I'm sick of it!!

    If you have never ridden and trained at the level of the person you're criticising, think carefully about what you choose to criticize them on. After a 10-year absence from horses, I came back thinking I knew plenty, because, after all, I was raised with them. I learned fast that I really didn't know anything, and I still don't after 2.5 years. Spend more time learning and less time throwing your opinion around.

    If you have never seen someone ride, preferably for a period of time, you can't make judgements about their riding. I made the mistake a number of times of posting about my problems here or on other boards, seeking advice. I did get SOME good advice, but what I got more of was a variety of people who assumed they knew exactly what the problem was, inferring it from just a few words. My horse was tossing her head, so therefore I was way off balance, falling forward and back and yanking on her face. WHAT?? You don't know that. Anky's horse acted up in an awards ceremony, so he must be scared to death of her. So-and-so must be a bad rider because the horse she's riding in the video isn't relaxed. You can't tell any of this.

    Does this mean there can't be any discussion of a horse or rider's faults? Of course not. But, limit your observations to things that are factual. Many people can see from a video if the horse is hitching or isn't straight. What you can't always tell is WHY...and making assumptions can be insulting and unfair to the rider--especially if you haven't even SEEN what happens, only read about it.

    One more thing...horses are animals. Big ones. Sometimes they act up. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how they're trained, how much discipline they get, how old they are, what breed they are, or who's riding them. Sometimes, they just do stuff.

    Ok, end of rant. I'm really pissy this morning...I've just had it with people who think they know it all, more than people who are at the top of the sport or even just more experienced than they are. Flame away if you don't like what I've said; I don't really care.
    Jennifer Walker
    Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
    Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com

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    You mean that you don't want to hear my opinion any more?

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    • #3
      Well said. Bravo...

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      • #4
        Well gosh, what would we talk about if we couldn't armchair quarterback/train? 90% of the threads on here would never exist.

        Sandra

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        • #5
          Surprise, surprise!

          Dang, I don't know nothing about dressage, but, I can say one thing, there are few horses can get me off of them, that's how good I am at handling a screwy maneuver by one of them, and boy a big un ducked his head and threw back on me whilst mounting the other day and I landed hard in the dirt, and my trainer who was holding him got banged away and pin-balled off the fence. I am sure Anky is a hundred thousand times better screw-ball-stayer-on-er Than I will ever be in my entire life, and it just goes to show you, sometimes they just surprise the bjeezus out of us. You don't think she was unguarded during the awards? I'll bet she was, and didn't see it coming.

          So what.
          Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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          • #6
            And w/ a Big AMEN.

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            • #7
              If you ride, I mean really ride, and ride enough horses, enough times, you will fall off....well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.
              Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

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              • #8
                pass the popcorn!
                Did someone suggest that they could teach Anky how to stay on her horse??? ROFLMAO!!!!
                Humans don’t mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. –Sebastian Junger

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bogey2 View Post
                  pass the popcorn!
                  Did someone suggest that they could teach Anky how to stay on her horse??? ROFLMAO!!!!
                  Yeah, that was pretty funny. This is without even seeing any video. It's kind of stupid to Monday morning quarterback without even seeing what actually happened.

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                  • #10
                    Oh, come on. I don't think that anybody even implied that the great AVG "shouldn't" or "couldn't" fall off. I think, to some degree, it's a case of, "Wow, it even happens to the best," not criticism, although, of course, there are some who will embrace the schadenfreude (sp?) of someone so controversial hitting the dirt. I don't think anyone's saying, "That could never happen to me because I don't do ...rollkur" or saying THEY are more expert than AVG.

                    Personally.... I've ridden in victory laps with screaming/clapping crowds and while my horse(s) never blew, other peoples' horses did, and no one thought the worse of them for it (but I don't recall any of them hitting the ground. ;0)

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                      #11
                      Someone on the AVG thread implied that the horse was scared of her because of her training methods, and that's why it happened. Another person said that she should know better how to handle her horse when he rears, and if she did she wouldn't have fallen.
                      Jennifer Walker
                      Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
                      Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by twnkltoz View Post
                        Someone on the AVG thread implied that the horse was scared of her because of her training methods, and that's why it happened. Another person said that she should know better how to handle her horse when he rears, and if she did she wouldn't have fallen.
                        Yes, this comment is not saying that falling off happens to everyone:

                        She's likely to get seriously injured or killed if she doesn't learn how to utilize the hindquarters to her advantage on those hot and unpredictable horses she rides. I believe that's one of the things you learn in pony club.

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                        • #13
                          A good post but I doubt it will stop the arm chair trainers
                          Every time you ride, your are either teaching or un-teaching your horse.

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                            #14
                            You're right dutchmike, it won't. But it sure made me feel better!
                            Jennifer Walker
                            Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
                            Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com

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                            • #15
                              yes, i wish people would stop talking about other riders, stop offering riding advice and stop asking so many stupid questions. internet chat boards shouldn't be about this kind of nonsense. they should be about... about... um.

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                              • #16
                                From the "I won't be a busybody" clique thread ...

                                3. Not to make judgements [sic] about other people's actions or choices when there may be factors in their personal lives that you know nothing about, especially if they aren't hurting anyone.
                                C'mon, Twink. The armchair trainers aren't hurting anyone with their stupid remarks and maybe they're having a hard time in their personal lives right now. How about we cut them some slack?

                                And there's no need to keep posting threads about them. Anyone with two brain cells understands they don't know WTF they're talking about.
                                __________________________
                                "... if you think i'm MAD, today, of all days,
                                the best day in ten years,
                                you are SORELY MISTAKEN, MY LITTLE ANCHOVY."

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by class View Post
                                  yes, i wish people would stop talking about other riders, stop offering riding advice and stop asking so many stupid questions. internet chat boards shouldn't be about this kind of nonsense. they should be about... about... um.
                                  . . . . marketing. Rave about the trendiest brands, post videos of young trainers performing miracles on difficult horses, use your business name as your user name and put your business website in your signature.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Bogey2 View Post
                                    pass the popcorn!
                                    Did someone suggest that they could teach Anky how to stay on her horse??? ROFLMAO!!!!
                                    haha could have been me if he bucked her off as i am always telling people how to stay on
                                    if it does haha


                                    hey twinkltoz i read your profile --
                                    and your advice isnt bad -- and like this post-- as long as you do what you preach as a trianer
                                    then you have no worries

                                    me myself and I - the english language is not as easy as you think as many parts of england pronounce one word one way and that same word differently take either -- either can be both

                                    as my mum would say- good better best never let it rest till your good is better and your better is best
                                    Last edited by goeslikestink; Oct. 5, 2007, 07:03 PM. Reason: missed words out

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                                    • #19
                                      Years ago I had it with all the people who would sit in the shade in their shorts and halter tops, sipping ice tea, talking down the riders who were out in the show ring in 105 degree heat wearing black coats and riding our hearts out. They could all do it better. Yeah, right.

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                                      • #20
                                        You can't change human nature. We can only strive to be more like animals.
                                        Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!

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