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Warmbloods having their own class to even the score?

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  • Warmbloods having their own class to even the score?

    I was just reading this on another forum and thought it would be an interesting topic. They were discussing whether or not it would help those of us in the middle/lower classes (money) to have the Warmbloods in their own classes so that the rest of us with "mugles" can compete against each other.

    Just wondering what you think??
    ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~

  • #2
    What about us with the cheap warmbloods?
    In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.


    • #3
      Originally posted by TropicalStorm View Post
      What about us with the cheap warmbloods?
      You and I would be in the same class then. "Cheap Warmblood Ridden By an Amateur"


      • #4
        I thought dressage was about your own personal journey with your own horse and you rode for the best score you could accomplish together, not where you placed in a class. There will always be someone with more money and a fancier horse; it's a fact of life.


        • #5
          Originally posted by Mozart View Post
          You and I would be in the same class then. "Cheap Warmblood Ridden By an Amateur"
          In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.


          • #6
            I think it's a great idea...if you also have a class for horses that have been professionally trained, non-warmbloods who cost more than $10K, any horse that's ever gotten 8 or better on gaits, a class for people who train on their own, a class for horses that cost $2K or less....

            Heck, why don't we do what leadliners do, and give everyone a blue ribbon?
            Jennifer Walker
            Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
            Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com


            • #7
              How about non traditional WBs?


              • Original Poster


                The argument was that the other horses cannot compete with the gaits of the warmblood. It makes me sad to hear this. My arabian has been given such huge compliments on his movement and overstride. Some of the Warmblood prospects I have looked at can't compete with his walk. Funny thing is my next horse (keep our fingers crossed) is a fancy non papered pinto looking thing that nobody can agree what he is. He is extremely fancy and forward and has a great natural frame on him. Out of everything we looked at he has the most potential!
                ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~


                • #9
                  great idea. just to be fair, i think we should also split the classes into 'fancy warmbloods' 'average warmbloods' tb-wb crosses' 'draft crosses that are called warmbloods' 'iberians' 'stock-type horses that aren't built for dressage' 'ottbs' 'unknown heritage' 'ayrabs or saddlebreds' and 'ponies' that way everyone has a good chance at a ribbon, which is the important part.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
                    The argument was that the other horses cannot compete with the gaits of the warmblood.
                    In most cases, other horses can't compete successfully against a warmblood's gaits.

                    But you CAN compete against everything else! There was a spectacular Swedish mare that used to compete here -- when she was on, she was unbeatable. The other competitors would cross their fingers that the pair would mess up something else in the test -- it certainly would not be gaits.

                    Originally posted by class View Post
                    that way everyone has a good chance at a ribbon, which is the important part.
                    That's what I'm sayin'!


                    • #11
                      Oh sweet bejayzus. Is a ribbon so important?


                      • #12
                        include in the list a class for menopausal riders, with subdivisions for post and perimenopausal.

                        i think a class for poorly trained horses would be a bonus too.

                        actually, what i'd rather have is more different awards within the show structure, some just for fun, best turnout, cutest companion dog, have some fun. smallest horse, largest horse, oldest rider showing, youngest, youngest at fei, i think a special ribbon for riders competing in their first show, oldest horse, oldest horse and rider combined years, best groom, best outfit, best turnout, best seat and hands, highest scorer on each general remark (group), awards for all the people who got over a 7 on seat and aids, awards for all horses that got high scores on gaits, awards for all horses scoring high on obedience, award for all people shipping in over a certain mileage, most exciting appearance in front of ground jury, etc. they don't have to be big expensive rewards. packs of horse treats, things like that, bigger things at bigger shows.

                        i actually like to see more achievement awards at shows, i think anyone who gets a good score on seat and aids should get an award, we want to encourage that right?


                        • #13
                          Why YES! Anything to spend time actually not learning to ride, after all, it is hard work. And WBs are the promise of instant gratification.

                          I think we can do something with HORSE SHOES as well: we can award the best groomed horse shoe, Horse Shoes In Hand 2 weeks and older...

                          Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                          i think a special ribbon for... the most exciting appearance in front of ground jury
                          Please, can we hire a stand in, like in the old army days the rich could pay someone to pick up a rifle and take their place? I could line up a few cute guys, depending on the ground jury of course. Where is my checkbook...


                          • #14
                            Let's not separate the classes. Instead, let's work a little harder and strive for excellence. If my score is disappointing, it's usually me who's messed up. I can't blame that on my horse's breeding.


                            • #15
                              Ive said this before, but i think that a better way to divide it up would be claimer classes just like the racehorses do.

                              You can enter into whatever division you want -- up to 3k, 3-7 k, 7-15 k, 15-30k, 30 and up.

                              that way your horse only competes against horses that are worth about the same as him and it does even the playing field.

                              of course, if you enter, you be prepared that someone might claim your horse at the price posted. If you aren't prepared for him to be claimed, you show in the open division or at the price range that you feel safe at.

                              Sort of the put up or shut up of "his horse is better than mine" and that is why they beat us.


                              • #16
                                Well darn. Let's do the math:

                                $000000.00 paid nothing for the OTTB
                                $85,000.000 imported WBs he could beat all the way up through I-II. He never showed GP.

                                Nope, doesn't work. Give me OPEN FEI classes and a great trainer who's also a USDF judge. I'll roll with the punches.


                                • #17
                                  I'm sure all of this is 'tongue in cheek', but the fact is that the tests are written for the warmblood who has extragavant extended gaits. If everyone wants to be competitive, think to the writing of the tests. Do we reward the extended or the collected gaits?
                                  I support and enable the USA bred horse and the USA breeder.


                                  • #18
                                    This is so silly! Not all WBs have fancy gaits. Some are not born with them, some have them trained out, some have only 2 out of 3 good gaits. So where do we put the Part-bred WBs, like mine. Half TB/Hanoverian, and seven-eighths WB?

                                    Lokking at a lovely GP wb for sale recently (my daughter was lusting after him, except she's an eventer now) we were discussing how he has an "ordinary" trot. No real big extension. However, he is a gorgeous, motivated horse with world class capacity in the tempi changes, pirouettes and P&P tour. Plenty of other horses out there with a fancy big trot and not much else. Seems people just look at this when it comes to defining "good" gaits.

                                    Personally, I'd like to see a prize awarded for nicest plaiting job, shiniest browband, or friendliest-disposition-in-a-professional-rider, and most-relevant-yet-non-snarky-monkey gallery-comment.


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by sm View Post
                                      Well darn. Let's do the math:

                                      $000000.00 paid nothing for the OTTB
                                      $85,000.000 imported WBs he could beat all the way up through I-II. He never showed GP.

                                      Nope, doesn't work. Give me OPEN classes and a great trainer who's also a USDF judge. I'll roll with the punches.
                                      you don't enter your horse in the class based on what you paid for him. you enter him in the class based on what you would sell him for that day. of course the "priceless" class would probably be pretty full at every show.


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by twnkltoz View Post

                                        Heck, why don't we do what leadliners do, and give everyone a blue ribbon?

                                        GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!
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