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  • AVG bucked off during awards ceremony

    at Flynge. Painted Black did the dirty deed. Isn't he the one that bucked her off a few years back and broke her leg? Sounds like he may be suited for the airs above ground!

    Anyway, you'd think she'd learn not to take these horses into the awards ceremonies after Salinero bolted with her. I know that it is not uncommon for winners not to ride their horses in to the awards...
    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

  • #2
    No, it wasn't Painted Black.

    I certainly hope she is OK.

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      #3
      Oh, yes, she's okay. Sorry for not mentioning that. I wouldn't have posted such flippant remarks if she had been injured. Here's the article

      http://www.dressagedaily.com/2007/dd..._20071003.html
      "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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      • #4
        http://www.dressagedaily.com/

        Hope she is OK.

        Incredible, She just keeps bringing on fantastic horses and winning...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HXF View Post
          No, it wasn't Painted Black.

          I certainly hope she is OK.
          From the article:
          The current Kur World Champion won the Grand Prix with Painted Black (by Gribaldi) on a score of 75,000% but was bucked off her horse during the prize giving ceremony and injured her leg.
          It reads like Painted Black bucked her off, but it could be interpreted to read she won with Painted Black but a different horse bucked her off.

          I hope she recovers quickly and with no permanent damage.
          "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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          • #6
            No, it wasn't Painted Black that broke her leg.

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            • #7
              This situation hardly surprises me....she has stated on many occasions that she uses draw reins whilst out hacking...for extra contol,
              most of her horses...not just the "famous" ones do not stand still at halt either schooling or in the ring competeing.
              The fact is, for me anyway, is that these horses are so restricted for most of the time she is on their backs....perhaps they are not the "happy athletes" she claims them to be. Yes there are some who do have problems in prize giving situations but you hear time and time again of her horses running away with people in the forest, the indoor, the outdoor, the competition arena. For such well trained and happy horses...they certainly seem to have it in for her at every opportunity that arrises.
              Now I am not happy this has happened to her...or anyone for that matter....nobody likes to see someone injured. She is alright anyway as she competed the next day.

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              • #8
                Eyewitness report

                An eye-witness report at TidningenRidsport forum:

                "Maja (1/10 17:07)
                Hästen bockade inte alls, jag var där och tittade och satt på nedersta raderna precis framför. Den blev stressad och reste sig rakt upp, Anky tappade balansen och då blev hästen rädd för henne och kastade sig åt sidan samtidigt. Då trillade hon av. "

                Translation, almost word by word:

                Maja (1/10 17:07)
                The horse did not buck at all, I was there and sat at the lowest row just in front. It was stressed and rose straight up, Anky lost her balance and then the horse was frightened of her and threw himself to the side at the same time. Then she fell off.
                ****
                And AvG was hurt - and abstained from the afternoon ride in the kur with Painted Black.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HXF View Post
                  No, it wasn't Painted Black that broke her leg.
                  Oh! So sorry! That'll teach me to put my glasses on before I start reading this forum!
                  "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                  • #10
                    Why is it that we assume it is her training methods that have her being bucked off, run away with, etc.

                    I have heard that she and Sjef like "hot" horses for training (rather than the push type), so could we just consider for ONE MOMENT that maybe it's because her horses are a tad difficult that she has the occasional incident and not because she is some evil horse torturer?
                    From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                    • #11
                      the horses aren't just 'difficult' ones. they are horses other people give up on. they are horses other people can't even ride. junior she considered very 'quiet', even though others considered him not to be. she started out winning the dutch jr national champs on Prisco, an extremely hot, unpredictable thoroughbred.

                      the comments here disgust me. if you people really were interested in improving horse training, you would not be gloating when someone gets bucked off. you aren't interested in horse training at all, but in gossip and feeling 'holier than thou' and in finding targets to pick on.

                      if you all really were so interested in getting rid of rollkur, you would have gotten rid of it, instead of waiting for some national humane agency to 'look into it', and rejoicing when someone else actually does some work on the issue.

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                      • #12
                        I guess that you can´t have one without the other... (Horse and carriage, love and marriage)
                        - That training method craves a hot horse!!! Any other horse would just stop from the pressure in it´s mouth.

                        But it makes good propaganda to say that you "prefer hot horses"...


                        Originally posted by Pony Fixer View Post
                        Why is it that we assume it is her training methods that have her being bucked off, run away with, etc.

                        I have heard that she and Sjef like "hot" horses for training (rather than the push type), so could we just consider for ONE MOMENT that maybe it's because her horses are a tad difficult that she has the occasional incident and not because she is some evil horse torturer?

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                        • #13
                          there IS no excessive pressure on the mouth, you're wrong. the pressure is the same amount as with the horse's head up. just because you can't get your horse on the bit, doesn't mean someone else is exerting any unusual pressure on a horse to perform rollkur. it's just shaped like any other posture or manouvre horses are asked for, the horse gives the correct response, reward, ask for a little more next time. it's no more pressure than you riding, and turning or doing anything that you normally do.

                          NO, i'm not saying that makes it right. but you people seem to have to demonize something and everyone associated with it, instead of simply saying, 'it's not for me', or 'it's a method we should control through our organization', and the reason you CAN'T get the organization to ban it or to control it, is because you're all so completely ineffective, and the reason you're all so completely ineffective is that you are in this to gossip, to pick on individuals, and to act 'holier than thou', NOT to change anything.

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                          • #14
                            "Snoopy
                            she has stated on many occasions that she uses draw reins whilst out hacking...for extra contol, (do you mean CONTROL?)
                            most of her horses...not just the "famous" ones do not stand still at halt either schooling or in the ring competeing. (do you mean competing)
                            The fact is, for me anyway, is that these horses are so restricted for most of the time she is on their backs.... perhaps they are not the "happy athletes" she claims them to be. "

                            Are you serious? The awards can be the most dangerous place weather your a dressage rider or jump rider. You have a excited crowd , excited horses, horses cantering with coolers and ribbons not to mention picture takers, sometimes music etc etc etc. It sounds as if you have issues that reach far beyond this woman! How many hot horses do you ride in award ceremonies?

                            Jesus you can see riders being bucked off in plain warm up rings and awards, most of the time the horses are just being horses and there is not some weird conspiracy on the horses part to get back for the draw reins at home or other nefarious method just a horse doing what they do and it not some film at 11 news worthy thing nor the are most horses crying out to be saved from whatever some of you want to make it!
                            Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.
                            Confucius

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                            • #15
                              Owning a hot and sensitive (overly sensitive) mare, I can relate to the bolting or spooking at a drop of a hat. It gives you a whole new perspective on riding! A horse with these issues, you just can NOT automatically point fingers at the training methods.
                              *bad shoulder clique * Member of "OMGiH, I loff my Mare" Clique! * Proud owner of a CANTER Cutie!
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                              • #16
                                In what dreamworld are you living???

                                - Do try the bits on your own body - arm or leg - it´s easy.



                                Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                there IS no excessive pressure on the mouth, you're wrong. the pressure is the same amount as with the horse's head up. just because you can't get your horse on the bit, doesn't mean someone else is exerting any unusual pressure on a horse to perform rollkur. it's just shaped like any other posture or manouvre horses are asked for, the horse gives the correct response, reward, ask for a little more next time. it's no more pressure than you riding, and turning or doing anything that you normally do.

                                NO, i'm not saying that makes it right. but you people seem to have to demonize something and everyone associated with it, instead of simply saying, 'it's not for me', or 'it's a method we should control through our organization', and the reason you CAN'T get the organization to ban it or to control it, is because you're all so completely ineffective, and the reason you're all so completely ineffective is that you are in this to gossip, to pick on individuals, and to act 'holier than thou', NOT to change anything.

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                                • #17
                                  But there ARE things that can be done to help horses deal with these exciting situations. Those things are not being done by many dressage riders, becuse these situations aren't the be-all and end-all of their passion, only a necessary by-product of it (i.e., awards ceremonies).

                                  I call it a hole in their horsemanship (which has nothing to do with rollkur or not), but that's just MHO.
                                  "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                                  Spay and neuter. Please.

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                                  • #18
                                    Part of the problem is the natural human tendency to want to expose fraud and fakery and hypocrisy. Like when some evangelist gets caught with his pants down in a motel room with a sex trade worker. Things like this and CVB broohaha really make you question your faith or adherence to a belief system when it appears obvious those at the top are not showing the same values.
                                    "Happy horses"
                                    "Harmony between horse and rider"
                                    "Freedom of movement and regularity of gaits"
                                    "Submission to the bit and rider"
                                    However, in this instance, it really could have happened to anyone. The most serious injuries in equine sport are happening to those at the top of their game. They take more risks, they ride more powerful animals and they spend more time in the saddle than the rest of us.
                                    But what do I know? I have a cat on my lap.
                                    "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                                    • #19
                                      .

                                      Has anyone here ever been chucked off of a horse or what?

                                      Poor Anky I know when she fell she probably thought "Oh great the press will have a field day with this one". Not fair at all! Anyway she does ride more difficult horses and still does awesome. See my signature to see how I really feel about bashing upper level riders.
                                      ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by beeblebrox View Post
                                        Are you serious? The awards can be the most dangerous place weather your a dressage rider or jump rider.

                                        Do you mean whether or are you referring to climatic conditions during award ceremonies?

                                        And it is "you're" if it is a contraction for "you are"

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