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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPjeC8RDgMo


    YOU decide!

  • #2
    I see nothing at all to ridicule.

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    • #3
      Oh, Oh, let me guess. It's Coby van Balen, right? That's the answer.

      For god sakes, can we move ON from the witch hunt to something a little more interesting?

      It's a nice test. Some hiccups, but overall pretty darn good. The curb never goes behind 45 degrees, the horses ears go from pricked to turned to the rider but never pinned. A few flicks of the tail, but no wringing. Does the nose go BTV? Some, but only a tiny bit, and for sure not the whole time.

      Excuse me, I have to get off the computer and go rollkur my horses, just because....
      From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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      • #4
        agree with ponyfixer. there must be something else we can get excited about today.

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        • #5
          WOW. Seems like people are taking this a bit personally...

          Where do I begin?? Since some have accused the OP of just taking the opportunity to slam Koby again, I'll ignore the rider at this point and concentrate on the horse. Let me be blunt..the horse is so tense he looks like a stick. There is not much engagement from the hind end, except during the extended canter where he looks as if he would run for the hills if he could. His ears may not be pinned, yet his mouth is gaping almost the entire time. During the free walk, the horse couldn't even move his nose/neck down and out. The tempi changes were just painful. I honestly can't believe that someone could look at this video and say it was a fine ride. To me, this ride is the epitome of everything wrong with dressage. We are not looking at a happy horse who enjoys what he is doing. We are not seeing a willing and happy expression. We are not seeing big, floaty, expressive gaits. If this is dressage, I am not a dressage rider.

          On a happy note, his halts were nice.

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          • #6
            So how many posts are we going to have about Coby van Balen?. IMO we know what she did ,hopefully something will get done about by the competent authorities. So find a new victim ,it starts to look like a witch hunt and is starting to look pittyfull
            Every time you ride, your are either teaching or un-teaching your horse.

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              #7
              No, not a witch hunt at all, and I'm not sure why people are taking it that way. Is it really necessary to make every question PERSONAL?

              I posted this video because I and several other people on these various threads have said that the problem with "modern" competitive dressage is that classical values are no longer the central criteria in judging - hence the increasing use of rolkur.

              It has been demonstrated that this particular person uses this method.

              Here is the PRODUCT of that method.

              Apparently plenty of people find nothing wrong with it! That speaks volumes in itself.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hpelham1 View Post
                WOW. Seems like people are taking this a bit personally...

                Where do I begin?? Since some have accused the OP of just taking the opportunity to slam Koby again, I'll ignore the rider at this point and concentrate on the horse. Let me be blunt..the horse is so tense he looks like a stick. There is not much engagement from the hind end, except during the extended canter where he looks as if he would run for the hills if he could. His ears may not be pinned, yet his mouth is gaping almost the entire time. During the free walk, the horse couldn't even move his nose/neck down and out. The tempi changes were just painful. I honestly can't believe that someone could look at this video and say it was a fine ride. To me, this ride is the epitome of everything wrong with dressage. We are not looking at a happy horse who enjoys what he is doing. We are not seeing a willing and happy expression. We are not seeing big, floaty, expressive gaits. If this is dressage, I am not a dressage rider.

                On a happy note, his halts were nice.
                an who the frigg made you the expert?? Are you a judge- have you attended a show recently- ??? I so- make it to the east or west coast and catch some of our team riders riding up and coming horses at I2...then let's talk- while you're there- make sure you bring binoculars...

                on another note- it's very poor taste to kick someone on the ground. She's on the ground ! Let's shut up and let it run it's course- frankly no need for sofa keyboard riders at this time..
                Thanks!
                "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                • #9
                  I don't recall seeing her ride before. I didn't really watch the horse but watched the rider's leg (just happens to be my obsession at the moment). What impresses me most is the nearly constant spurring throughout the test. There are rare stretches where she is not spurring, but otherwise jabbing every other stride.

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                  • #10
                    Not paying attention to the NAME of the rider.

                    I noticed excessive spuring/swinging back-and-forth of the lower leg, and it kind of looks like in the extended trot she's got her feet way out in front of her. At 2:59 looks like the horse jumps into the extended trot. Buck/kick-out into the canter at 3:58. Canter zig-zag looks all wonky at the change of bend & flying change. Horse's hind-end looks strange... just not right.
                    Missed some changes in the 1's.

                    That's my observation

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                    • #11
                      dutchmike... My thoughts exactly!

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                      • #12
                        No one made me an expert, and I never claimed to be. These are my views after watching the ride.....and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not going to apologize for it, and I'm not sure why some are taking this personally. The OP said "YOU decide".....she didn't say "this is wrong" or "this is great." She asked for opinions, and that is mine. And that's it!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hpelham1 View Post
                          No one made me an expert, and I never claimed to be. These are my views after watching the ride.....and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not going to apologize for it, and I'm not sure why some are taking this personally. The OP said "YOU decide".....she didn't say "this is wrong" or "this is great." She asked for opinions, and that is mine. And that's it!
                          sorry - knowingly or not you got yourself into a hot seat- because this lady is being questioned bigtime...respect your opinion- and by gholly you are entitled to it...!!
                          "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                          • #14
                            we see and critique what we want to see, according to the news of the day.

                            the video of the white horse is held up as an example of perfection, merely because his rider hasn't been in the news.

                            if you didn't know it was coby, if it was a friend of yours, or yourself, the critique would be very, very different.

                            it is quite common for people to urge horses forward in competition, yes, at every stride. try riding in a venue like that some time, or riding at the upper level, in which horses actually need urging, rather than coasting around at training level at your home barn, at a slow jog with your reins in a loop. the spurs may not be even contacting the horse, plus when they are, they are not exactly instruments of torture - spurs are part of classical riding. they are blunt and dull and tapping a horse with a spur isn't going to hurt him, quite the contrary, it's actually when the leg is still and clamped against the horse, with the spur NOT tapping, but dragging against the horse's side, and clinging to it, that it rubs a horse raw and irritates him.

                            leave coby van baalen alone. let her absorb the situation and learn from it, if you really believe there's so much to learn from it. the more you pick and critique, the more defensive people get, and the less they learn.

                            if your desire really is to improve training rather than aggrandize yourselves, you wouldn't engage in such personal attacks against individuals. witch hunt - absolutely.

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                            • #15
                              Is it a schooling ride? I don't see a number. Is that what you meant? LOL
                              Last edited by Rusty Stirrup; Oct. 3, 2007, 06:28 AM. Reason: it's too early
                              Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!

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                              • #16
                                try riding <snipped> at the upper level, in which horses actually need urging, rather than coasting around at training level at your home barn, at a slow jog with your reins in a loop.
                                Few if any riders that are out there competing at FEI would be bashing rides like this. Picking on excellent riders and horses sickens me the same way that RK sickens the most of you.

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                                • #17
                                  The horse was very relaxed and supple. his mouth was not open. You are seeing foam, not an open mouth..

                                  . Sometimes I get the impression that many of the people who are most anti- dressage on these threads (airy fairy? Do you train dressage?) just don't like the sport anyway and want it to be more like WP or HUS. If you think that horse was too tense then maybe take up western pleasure.

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                                  • #18
                                    I agree with eggy and ToN.

                                    I think those that are most likely to trash an upper level ride have never been close to doing it themselves. If you actually rode upper levels, you would understand that all those momentary blips are just that--and that not only are no rides perfect, but the higher you get the more difficult it is to put together a more seamless ride.

                                    I am only riding 3rd level, not FEI, btw in interest of full disclosure. But if you read USDF magazine, they outline how many % of riders at shows are at each level, and 80%+ are at Tr and 1st. I'd be interested to know where in that 80%-20% split these latest "dressage is becoming evil" discussions lie.
                                    From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                                    • #19
                                      Let's ignore the rider's name for a while. What I saw was a lovely fluid ride. Not a perfect ride, but very respectable and with many lovely moments. The rider's leg is very busy at time, which is distracting. She rides with a very good coach, so I'm sure this is being addressed. Yes, she does get thrown into a chair seat at times, especially during the extended trot. This is obviously a huge moving horse though, so I think its somewhat understandable, and I'm sure it's something that she's working on. How many of YOU could ride an extended trot like that without losing your position?
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                                      • #20
                                        She does seem to sit a bit behind the motion almost "on her back pockets." Perhaps she would not need so much leg if she were not contradicting it with her seat. That's the way it appears to me anyway.

                                        I do see a tendency toward visibly busy legs these days. So much so that it is becoming almost a fad. I find it quite unattractive and wonder about the old adage of the horse getting increasingly dead to the leg when it is used every stride?
                                        "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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