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Coby tries to cover her rear in a statement on Eurodressage.com

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  • Coby tries to cover her rear in a statement on Eurodressage.com

    Hmmmm. A bunch of B.S.

    http://www.eurodressage.com/news/dre...r-rollkur.html

    Statement Issued by Coby van Baalen

    "Yesterday, Friday 21 September, I have been contacted by a number of persons that pictures of Power and Paint (taken during the lunging at the European Championships 2007 in Freudenberg) circulated on the internet. A Swedish magazine has asked me for a reaction on the relevant pictures. I think it is absolutely appropriate that people ask me to react in case my stable, my students or myself are the subject of wild discussions, which are unfounded. Therefore, I have decided to react on these discussions by way of this letter.

    Reaction

    In short, my reaction to the Swedish magazine comes down to the following. The fact is that the photographer took these pictures in the first minute of the lunge with Power and Point and so, they do not tell the whole story. You can see that it is the start of the lunge as the pony is either standing or walking and he is not sweating from the exercise. In the pictures, both myself and my student are looking at the pony and immediately saw that the lunge was not established correctly. We allow the pony to walk a couple of seconds and change the lunge immediately so that it is in its normal position. (if you immediately saw that it was wrong, then why walk the pony in that possition? Why not take it off immediately?) After that, we have been able to lunge the pony in a good way, resulting in the pony’s looseness with a beautiful posture. Unfortunately, the photographer was not interested in this and did not make pictures of that, which I regret.

    It serves no purpose to lunge a horse/pony in the way shown on the relevant pictures. We always lunge in the normal way (if you always lunge in the normal way, then why would you make such a huge ERROR and crank the side reins so tight the pony's nose is to his chest?) and this was a one-off incident from which my student has learned and which lasted no longer than half a minute.

    The various forums and blogs on the internet do not pay attention to my reaction, but prefer to draw conclusions themselves. They have every right to do so, but the conclusions are completely wrong. (the pictures speak 1000 words! you are supposed to be a professional and know what you are doing. you would not "accidently" go to such an extreme with the side reins!)
    Power and Paint

    For years, Power and Paint is the most successful pony of The Netherlands with three different riders from Dressage Stable Van Baalen. Our training sessions are open for the public and everyone is allowed to come and visit our trainings, which happens a lot.

    Power and Paint is not pitiful. He gets the best possible care and training and is treated with the highest degree of respect at our stables, as are all other horses at our stables.

    Angela Krooswijk

    About Angela Krooswijk, I would like to say the following. Angela is an unprecedented talent and a very concentrated competition rider. Angela has respect for her horses and ponies (if she has respect, then she should have stepped in and not allowed the cranked side reins!) and has accomplished a lot considering her age.

    Clarity

    I hope that, by way of this letter, I have clarified the situation and the background of the pictures and our way of training. To be absolutely clear: it serves no purpose to lunge in this particular way, it was a one-off incident (Oh, stop the nonsense you are caught red handed, Coby! just admit that this is the norm for you, otherwise you wouldn't (again) have made such an ERROR with the side reins!) which was immediately corrected and this is not at all our daily training mode. Everyone can see that at our stables in Brakel or read that in our books.

    In the event that there are questions or remarks in relation to the above, I would like to invite the relevant person to send me an email at info@dressuurstalvanbaalen.nl (I think everyone that disagrees with her lunging style should send her and email!) instead of spreading all sorts of incorrect stories.

    With kind regards,

    Coby van Baalen"

    Unbelievable B.S.!

  • #2
    Thanks for posting the entire statement.

    Utter BS indeed! And, to tell the truth, I'm rather surprised she'd expect anybody to believe it. (Perhaps she doesn't?)

    This saddens me because I admire her so much as a rider. I've even used pictures of her to show my students how simultaneously functional and elegant a good position can be.

    No more, I guess . . . I'll have to use photos of Linda Parelli instead.

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    • #3
      Have to agree, sounds like BS to me too. Far from a longing expert here, but in theory, I've read and been told by my trainer that one always starts the horse on the loosest setting for sidereins so the horse may stretch and warm up it's back - same principle as when one rides. Cranking that pony's head to its shoulder makes no sense but only shows the tremendous restraint of the lovely animal.

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      • #4
        I didn't know about these photos until now, so I wasn't sure what the discussion was about. I traced the links backwards. Is it safe to assume these are the pics in question? (Comments under them aren't in English, so I don't know for sure)
        Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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        • #5
          I now see the link is posted in another, older thread on this topic. Sorry for the dumb question.
          Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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          • #6
            So, Fantastic, I assume you were there and that's why you write with such authority?

            Otherwise I have to add your opinion to the pile of many others that don't know what they are talking about and are just looking for something to get high and mighty about.
            Siegi Belz
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            • #7
              Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
              So, Fantastic, I assume you were there and that's why you write with such authority?

              Otherwise I have to add your opinion to the pile of many others that don't know what they are talking about and are just looking for something to get high and mighty about.
              Oh come on siegi you have to admit the photo's are hard to talk out of and her justification would be acceptable if someone has had a horse for a week but not from someone that has worked with horses for years. Coby should have thought of a better lie or should have just said that is the way she works and thatis how she gets the results and that is it. The excuses she is giving is underestimating the intelligence of the average person. What is next rehab?.
              Every time you ride, your are either teaching or un-teaching your horse.

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              • #8
                Well, at least all the negative comments got someone's attention.
                They probably won't do this again.....at least not where anyone can see.
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                • #9
                  Thats the first time Ive seen those photos, having her experience how could set that up and not know what you were doing. Yikes
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BarbB View Post
                    Well, at least all the negative comments got someone's attention.
                    They probably won't do this again.....at least not where anyone can see.
                    This might be the biggest problem. People want to *close* warm up from the public. Riders fear the press and the public at large, because if everyone saw what was going on their reputations might suffer. <sigh> I fear the problems, but I fear the problems the horses will have ultimately if warm up is a secret event for riders. MHO Riders need to be up front about teaching practices, and lying about your training will never win over the nay sayers so why even attempt it? At least today we can have a person photograph highly unsavory events so at least we can discuss them.

                    It's a slippery slope and many will suffer, and are suffering under the hands of people who think they know all there is to know about training a horse. It's all very sad. MHO
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                    • #11
                      Interesting that you put your comments right into the text. It's like Mystery Science Theater 3000, except less funny.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                        So, Fantastic, I assume you were there and that's why you write with such authority?

                        Otherwise I have to add your opinion to the pile of many others that don't know what they are talking about and are just looking for something to get high and mighty about.
                        Seigi B, even *I* would not have set up a pony in this way, and if I did, even *I* would have fixed in 1 step.

                        The pictures don't lie - they are PROOF of what happened. It's not an opinion, it is a record. The resolution is pretty good so you can be assured that the photographer was close enough that Coby knew she was being photographed.

                        Pretty much, you either agree with her choice of longing technique or you don't. But please don't believe that someone the caliber of Coby made any kind of mistake here.

                        J.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by J-Lu View Post
                          Seigi B,
                          Pretty much, you either agree with her choice of longing technique or you don't. But please don't believe that someone the caliber of Coby made any kind of mistake here.J.
                          Exactly. Which begs the question: Why would Coby feel the need to say it was a "mistake" instead of having the courage to stand behind her chosen method of training?

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                          • #14
                            Personally, I agree with Fantastic....I'm not buying the "Oops, I just accidentally cranked this pony's head into his butt and it just took me a few rounds to figure out why his head looked like that..I had to discuss it with my 15 year old student before I finally put two and two together as to why his head was in his butt, it just took us a couple walk laps to figure that one out. And that mean photographer took pictures and placed them on the web."

                            I guess if this is her defense, you have to ask yourself, would you want your horse/pony in training with someone who must be utterly clueless and takes them a few minutes to realize that they have lunging gear on incorrectly?

                            I do agree that at least this has sparked some outrage and she'll at least think twice about doing it out in public.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by claire View Post
                              Exactly. Which begs the question: Why would Coby feel the need to say it was a "mistake" instead of having the courage to stand behind her chosen method of training?
                              Because she knows it is WRONG, whether she gets the results she wants or not!! There is absolutly NO way she applied those sidereins without feeling the EXTREME tention that had to be on them evev before the pony took one itty bitty step!! Poppycock! Pure BS!
                              "Success comes in cans, not in cannots!"

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                              • #16
                                Nuchal and Dorsal Ligaments aren't stressed on this darling pony...not to mention C1 C2....yep...I AM being sarcastic.

                                I'm not buying. There is no way this is a mistake-accident. Can't think of how this "MISTAKE" could happen. Oh...the tack was set for the Miniature Horse that we used just before. Why didn't she just say so?

                                Donna

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                                • #17
                                  I never looked at any pictures because I saw the number of postings on that thread and figured it was another "rollkur" debacle.

                                  The only thing I object to is when people "elaborate" on something somebody else said without having any background on the situation save a few pictures and certainly without having been there.

                                  But if you guys like this sort of thing then by all means.. have at it!
                                  Siegi Belz
                                  www.stalleuropa.com
                                  2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
                                  Dutch Warmbloods Made in the U. S. A.

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                                  • #18
                                    So Siegi...you don't object to what they are doing to that pony?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                                      I never looked at any pictures because I saw the number of postings on that thread and figured it was another "rollkur" debacle.

                                      The only thing I object to is when people "elaborate" on something somebody else said without having any background on the situation save a few pictures and certainly without having been there.

                                      But if you guys like this sort of thing then by all means.. have at it!
                                      I normally don't look either. But I did look at this one and Siegi B.... you cannot NOT say Oh My God! When you look at it. Not to mention that it is highly unlikely that if he had not been accustomed to being tied into that position, because if he was not used to it he probably would have exploded. But no, in the pic he's just taking it. Very sad.
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                                      • #20
                                        There are a lot of pictures I don't look at, but I believe you when you say it looks gross. Just like I think it looks gross when somebody rides with bad contact and the poor horse gets hit in the mouth every other step, or a Western horse spends hours in a stall tied down, or a 300 lb person bounces on top of a little quarterhorse, etc. etc. etc. No argument from me!

                                        However, I do object to people then insinuating all kinds of motives making an already gross picture seem even worse. Why? The saying is that "a picture is worth a thousand words"... in the case of some COTH posters it should be "a picture gives me the opportunity to type thousands of words". Is that what it's all about? The COTH forum being the National Enquirer of dressage?
                                        Siegi Belz
                                        www.stalleuropa.com
                                        2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
                                        Dutch Warmbloods Made in the U. S. A.

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