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  • USEF Rule Changes for Dressage

    Anyone see some the latest rule changes? (The new version of the Rule Book just came out yesterday.)

    One rather useless rule appears to be the one for putting a horses cavesson two fingers below the cheek bone. First, in dressage, it's often ONE finger length when using a flash so you don't have it hanging down like a figure eight (which it's NOT supposed to look like). Also, who's fingers will be used?

    Honestly, if they were going to make changes about the cavesson it should have been for tightness, not for placement on the horse's face.

    Any other changes bugging you or making you happy? (I do love the fact that at the national level you can now ride all FEI tests, including GP, in a snaffle. )
    "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
    Any other changes bugging you or making you happy? (I do love the fact that at the national level you can now ride all FEI tests, including GP, in a snaffle. )
    That cavesson rule is pointless.

    The snaffle at FEI is the continuation of the dumbing down of dressage in this country. Europe is likely laughing at us over this. Absolutely no reason for that kind of rule change.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
      That cavesson rule is pointless.

      The snaffle at FEI is the continuation of the dumbing down of dressage in this country. Europe is likely laughing at us over this. Absolutely no reason for that kind of rule change.
      Actually the UK has been allowing the snaffle at national level for years... and they are doing pretty well at the moment

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      • #4
        I am pretty damn impressed with riders schooling Grand Prix movements in a snaffle...let alone at a show.

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        • #5
          6. Only those bits listed with Figure 1 are allowed. At any level of competition, a cavesson noseband may never be so tightly fixed that it causes severe irritation to the skin and must be adjusted to allow at least two fingers under the noseband on the side of the face under the
          cheekbone
          might want to re-read that Velvet

          they are talking about tightness not distance from the cheekbone. The words are clear to me, the illustration backs it up


          shows where the judgement about degree of tightness is to be made, you check tightness at the side of the face under the cheekbones ( not on the underside of jaw)
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          • #6
            Originally posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
            The snaffle at FEI is the continuation of the dumbing down of dressage in this country. Europe is likely laughing at us over this. Absolutely no reason for that kind of rule change.
            No, the dumbing down of dressage is allowing posting trot at First Level and having those ridiculous USDF walk/trot tests. There is nothing dumb about riding FEI in a snaffle.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
              No, the dumbing down of dressage is allowing posting trot at First Level and having those ridiculous USDF walk/trot tests. There is nothing dumb about riding FEI in a snaffle.
              Ouch. the walk trot tests give riders and horses a place to start. All other disciplines have walk trot classes, why should dressage be so elite to require a horse a rider to canter in a test at their first show? Everyone starts somewhere. Last year I showed my horse Intro level because it gave me a chance to get her out and to a show without having to worry about her canter, which just wasn't confirmed enough for me to want to attempt a training level test. My little "dumbed down" Intro tests ended up being the highest scores of the day.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                No, the dumbing down of dressage is allowing posting trot at First Level and having those ridiculous USDF walk/trot tests. There is nothing dumb about riding FEI in a snaffle.
                I don't disagree with that at all. I'm equally against posting at first level as well.

                And yes, I agree a horse should be able to do GP in a snaffle, however, they should be equally comfortable doing in a full bridle, as it gives you the extra finesse and subtle touch to make it that much better.

                Ouch. the walk trot tests give riders and horses a place to start. All other disciplines have walk trot classes, why should dressage be so elite to require a horse a rider to canter in a test at their first show? Everyone starts somewhere. Last year I showed my horse Intro level because it gave me a chance to get her out and to a show without having to worry about her canter, which just wasn't confirmed enough for me to want to attempt a training level test. My little "dumbed down" Intro tests ended up being the highest scores of the day.
                If your horse can't canter comfortable at a show, it probably shouldn't be there. Just MHO, but that's how I feel. I'm completely against intro level being offered in recognized shows.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
                  If your horse can't canter comfortable at a show, it probably shouldn't be there. Just MHO, but that's how I feel. I'm completely against intro level being offered in recognized shows.
                  My point is that every other discipline has walk trot classes, it gives a beginner rider or green horse an introduction to the show ring in a safer atmosphere. Why have to wait until you are schooling 1st comfortably before you can show even training level? Typically someone showing Intro is working through training level movements at home. Not everyone is comfortable in the show ring- I know quite a few juniors and adult re-riders who want to get their feet wet in the show ring, and Intro is the perfect place to start. FWIW the Intro tests I did were at a local, unrecognized show, and I can see your point about not having them at a recognized show, but sometimes it is easier to go to a recognized show than a schooling show depending on the area you live in.

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                  • #10
                    Posted by mypaintwattie:

                    Ouch. the walk trot tests give riders and horses a place to start. All other disciplines have walk trot classes, why should dressage be so elite to require a horse a rider to canter in a test at their first show?
                    Not intending to sound rude, but because dressage is about the training of the HORSE, not the training of the rider. The rider should already be trained and capable of a fairly decent Independent Seat so that he/she can train the horse humanely.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mypaintwattie View Post
                      My point is that every other discipline has walk trot classes, it gives a beginner rider or green horse an introduction to the show ring in a safer atmosphere. Why have to wait until you are schooling 1st comfortably before you can show even training level? Typically someone showing Intro is working through training level movements at home. Not everyone is comfortable in the show ring- I know quite a few juniors and adult re-riders who want to get their feet wet in the show ring, and Intro is the perfect place to start. FWIW the Intro tests I did were at a local, unrecognized show, and I can see your point about not having them at a recognized show, but sometimes it is easier to go to a recognized show than a schooling show depending on the area you live in.
                      Sorry, I take green horses in the show ring for a living, no intro here. At 4 years old, they should be fully capable of showing training level. I'm sorry, but if you aren't comfortable with your horse at all 3 gaits in a show environment, you probably shouldn't be there. Not only are you a danger to yourself, but you're a danger to others.

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                      • #12
                        yes there is a place for hte walk trot tests. even at a recognized show. lots of young riders (think the under 10 group) show them for their first dressage experience, and those of us with green horses who just want to get them out and get them experienced to the hustle and bustle of shows appreciate them also. there is nothing wrong with a show offering something for everybody.

                        my old trainer ALWAYS schooled his gp stallions in a snaffle. the double went on the day before a show just so the horses were comfortable with it, and if you watched him ride, the curb was loose, it was never used. if you are good enough, you don't need the curb to create finesse. he also never wore spurs, he didn't need them. I so do not want to know just how strong his legs were!!!
                        arabsrock

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                          Not intending to sound rude, but because dressage is about the training of the HORSE, not the training of the rider. The rider should already be trained and capable of a fairly decent Independent Seat so that he/she can train the horse humanely.
                          In an ideal world yes that would be true, but often it isn't. Not everyone has the budget for a schoolmaster to learn on. Many people who show at intro or training level are coming over from other disciplines, so why penalize them for wanting to try dressage?

                          Well it looks like I've unfortunately started a train wreck, so since I've said my piece, I'll adjourn.

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                          • #14
                            Well, there are tons of places to go ride your horse and actually learn to ride besides a crowded show atmosphere.

                            Trail riding one to three hours a day six days a week for several years would be a much better foundation than a walk trot dressage test.

                            Invest your time and money in a good instructor and don't show up at a show until you are really prepared. If you aren't riding well enough to actually score well then you don't really belong there. Practice some self discipline.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not a huge fan of the snaffle at FEI nor am I all that supportive of posting the trot at first level other than I guess I can't argue for changes that might benefit the horse (even if it implies that a rider hasn't mastered this or that). However, I am one who shows FEI AND shows Intro. I show FEI at recognized shows and anything from training level on up depending on the beasts I've brought with me. I do also show at a lot of schooling shows. My kids have shown Intro and I take the greenie meanies in Intro as well as the restarts. I have one little restart/rehab project that I purposely took into Intro because of his meltdown reputation at shows. Felt I had him over the issues at home and wanted to test them at a show venue before pushing him to far too fast given his history. I took my three year old in Intro a couple of weeks ago to get him use to a real dressage arena because I do not have one at home. As for his canter, well it's coming along and yes I suppose I could have pushed it at the show but didn't want to. My agenda is a bit different I suppose than some here. As for not belonging at the show and should be staying at home 'cause I ride Intro.....well (a) the mangement sure likes to see my green backs and (b) hee, hee, hee, hee, hee......the assumption that one rides Intro in order to learn how to ride........uh yeah. Hey, I'll hand over the reins to any of you who would like to show me how it should be done [that said, you have to do it on one of my beasts].

                              My showing Intro doesn't endanger anyone or anything other than my wallet. So as for..... the following which I realize was directed at someone else.........I've got the big girl panties on and will respond to it directly anyway..

                              Invest your time and money in a good instructor and don't show up at a show until you are really prepared. If you aren't riding well enough to actually score well then you don't really belong there. Practice some self discipline.

                              You don't actually want to go tit for tat on this do you? I have a few awards, GOOD scores at levels well above Intro on more than one horse, more than one type of horse and around the various regions I've lived in. I've done so training my own horses without a big fancy dressage arena or all the customary trappings that come with BNTs & big barns. I use the schooling shows to get all my beasts out. I already put 10 miles on each of them a week on the trail but the trail and the show atmosphere are NOT the same. As long as they offer it I think I'll spend my money and time on Intro if I so choose.
                              Ranch of Last Resort

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                              • #16
                                Well said ExVet.
                                First, say to yourself what you would be. Then do what you have to do. ~Epictectus

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                                • #17
                                  I'm not a dressage rider and I have, quite a few times, considered showing my young QH mare in the walk/trot tests. That's why I come to this board because I have a slight interest in dressage as a sport, but I know that she won't get much past First Level because of the way she is built. This discussion almost makes me want to not even consider dabbling in dressage if all I would find is people who look at me and think their sport is being dumbed down. All the schooling H/J shows have walk/trot over rails for any age horse. Is that dumbing down jumping or just offering a class for people AND their horses to gain some confidence? If people would look down on me for showing Intro, then you probably won't find me there. I'll find a backwoods show arena where they ask for walk, trot, and wait for it, favorite gait (gasp)! You can choose whether you are ready to canter or if you want to stay trotting or you can even drop down to a walk. Imagine that? And to add, classes are $3, the show ring is across the street from the regularly used train tracks, and the barrel racing at the end of the night is the best part. All your GP horses would be accepted there and you'd probably make some pretty good friends. But some of you are too good for that right?

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                    No, the dumbing down of dressage is allowing posting trot at First Level and having those ridiculous USDF walk/trot tests. There is nothing dumb about riding FEI in a snaffle.
                                    haha one can rise the trot to 2nd level in the UK and I have seen many professionals do this on young horses...

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                                      Well, there are tons of places to go ride your horse and actually learn to ride besides a crowded show atmosphere.

                                      Trail riding one to three hours a day six days a week for several years would be a much better foundation than a walk trot dressage test.

                                      Invest your time and money in a good instructor and don't show up at a show until you are really prepared. If you aren't riding well enough to actually score well then you don't really belong there. Practice some self discipline.
                                      Good Grief Dressage is training.. Not all of us show for love of ribbons and a score of 80! Guess what? Some people have show nerves..They may never go away but at least showing at a very low level class like intro may be the first be step.

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                                      • #20
                                        <applause for exvet>

                                        I showed Intro last year. I'm a competent rider, but had some fear issues - both mine and my youngsters - at shows. Intro at some schooling shows were a perfectly good way to help overcome that and move forward. We both needed the experience, and riding Intro gave us that in a confidence building way. And for the record, we were schooling 1st at home...

                                        If people want to pay for it, then let them do it for their own reasons and you can go on not showing in it.
                                        Here Be Dragons: My blog about venturing beyond the lower levels as a dressage amateur.

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