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Pics of Coby van Balen teaching student how to lunge Power and Paint in rollkur

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  • #21
    Originally posted by cinder88 View Post
    Does anyone know how the pony and rider DID at the show?

    Cinder
    They were fourth individually and the team was second.

    Power and Paint is a POWER BOY x PrH DANCER

    These pictures make me sick...
    Last edited by EZ; Sep. 21, 2007, 02:29 PM.
    Equine and Canine photographer: www.elzz.org

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    • #22
      Jesus Christmas was the first thing out of my mouth. What the f *** is wrong with people?
      you look vaguely familiar.

      "And somewhere -- wherever the racing gods live -- there was unabated laughter at this comeuppance. Karma's a Witch, babe, and so is the Triple Crown. "

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      • #23
        Well as soon as FEI judges STOP rewarding those riders who practice such "training"..then we may see a differance...but I would not hold my breath...especially when the chair-woman says "well that is just the way it is done now a days)

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        • #24
          I repeat what I've always said when Rollkur comes up:

          No, you don't do that to horses.

          Seriously, if you would see someone training, say, a show or agility dog like that, wouldn't you call the police?

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          • #25


            How can anyone endorse a abusive training method like this? And how can a dressage rider look at this and say OK and shrug? Jesus those pics are revolting.

            Edited to add that if you scroll down that page you open you can see a pic of her riding him under saddle. His neck looks quite short and bunched in that pic...no wonder. I understand just enough French to get the gist that they don't care for the pics much either...

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            • #26
              Makes Clinton Anderson look downright humane ...
              "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

              Spay and neuter. Please.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by monstrpony View Post
                Makes Clinton Anderson look downright humane ...
                Yes, I started to coment on that in my thread but edited it out...I think this will be controversial enough without adding fuel to the fire....

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                • #28
                  especially no, especially hell I don't know, it's just sickening.
                  Donald Trump - proven liar, cheat, traitor and sexual predator! Hillary Clinton won in 2016, but we have all lost.

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                    #29
                    Power and Paint was once ridden by both of the van Balen girls, and has won many championships over the years. I think this young girl is now possibly his fourth rider that he has galantly taken into the limelight.

                    HOW COULD ANY PERSON WHO HAS A PASSION FOR DRESSAGE (which these people seem to forget is all about harmony, unity, and BEAUTY) POSSIBLY ENGAGE IN SUCH AN UGLY EXCUSE FOR TRAINING (dressage), I must ask?

                    So this sort of tying of the horses head or riding in RK is supposed to take the horse over his back? Poor Power and Paint! His back looks inverted to me, and his loin looks UNDER DEVELOPED. Would you agree?

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                    • #30
                      .

                      The judges will watch a rider be heavy handed and open handed and any kinda get your dang head down handed and give them a good submission score all of the time here. I ride hunt seat and I open my hands less and bump alot less than the high scoring dressage rider in my neck of the woods who trains in our arena. We have a video of one of my lessons with her in the background in a deep deep bend to her knee the entire ride walk trot canter. Maybe it was just a video in time.
                      ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                      http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                      • #31
                        The whole thing is horrible beyond words. Poor pony. I had not heard of him before - ran a search - found a Youtube video of him - he does seem to go BTV and poll not highest.
                        He is just so adorable - and a stallion? The video shows him to be rather cranked in - tightly held in front. I would love to see him worked in 'free gaits' as CdeK would ask for - let him stretch in w/t/c/ - get back some - well what - cannot think of the words - freedom of expression - improvement of gaits, etc. I cannot see how lunging him like that could be of any benefit - it is cruel and demeaning - unnecessary - and harmful. So sad.
                        This pony seems to be well known, loved and popular - hope that the "big guns" in Europe step in and do something for him - what I don't know. Don't know how much of Europe has seen these photos - but I cannot imagine anyone defending his chin on his chest like that - and I hope folks would start protesting. Really - what to do? Someone save him!!

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                          I understand just enough French to get the gist that they don't care for the pics much either...
                          Huh??? Is it my lack of english or are you saying that they don't care about how this pony is lunge??

                          They are all like: "oh my god", "to anyone who does not want to throw up raise your hand", "What do they say when you ask them why they stuck this pony like that? How can they explain such a horrible thing?", "Well, we better understand why he is looking better when he is ridden, he must feel so free", "Nothing excuses that", "This is abusing", "poor pony", etc etc etc

                          Actually, I think that they do care as well. The guy who took the picture is french and he is the one who sent it to the eurodressage website to let the people know about this horrible training...
                          Equine and Canine photographer: www.elzz.org

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                          • #33
                            No you misunderstood. I meant to convey that I could understand enough French to realize the unhappiness of the persons on that other forum. My intention was to say that the people there did not care for what they SAW in the pics. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I could have said it more clearly.

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                            • #34
                              Yes, it is a small lacking in your English. Not caring FOR something is very different from not caring ABOUT something. Not caring FOR something means you don't like it.
                              Donald Trump - proven liar, cheat, traitor and sexual predator! Hillary Clinton won in 2016, but we have all lost.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                No you misunderstood. I meant to convey that I could understand enough French to realize the unhappiness of the persons on that other forum. My intention was to say that the people there did not care for what they SAW in the pics. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I could have said it more clearly.
                                Ok, my bad. Sorry about that!
                                I guess I've read too quickly! Sorry again!
                                Equine and Canine photographer: www.elzz.org

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                                • #36
                                  Unfortunately....

                                  Dressage is becoming for me ...

                                  a bit of a joke.

                                  No different then the oft times brutal training methods ...

                                  in

                                  the western pleasure disciplines

                                  reining

                                  and show horses.

                                  Why can we not have a discipline where the horses

                                  do not have to become

                                  contortion artists

                                  so that the humans

                                  can win a ribbon?????????????????

                                  Oh no that's right......this is about money.

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                                  • #37
                                    what on earth is the pony supposed to learn from that? At least with ridden RK the reins could be released occasionally. Some people are two stupid to be allowed to have horses!
                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                    "There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it"

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                                      • #39
                                        I couln t agree more!

                                        Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                                        Power and Paint was once ridden by both of the van Balen girls, and has won many championships over the years. I think this young girl is now possibly his fourth rider that he has galantly taken into the limelight.

                                        HOW COULD ANY PERSON WHO HAS A PASSION FOR DRESSAGE (which these people seem to forget is all about harmony, unity, and BEAUTY) POSSIBLY ENGAGE IN SUCH AN UGLY EXCUSE FOR TRAINING (dressage), I must ask?

                                        So this sort of tying of the horses head or riding in RK is supposed to take the horse over his back? Poor Power and Paint! His back looks inverted to me, and his loin looks UNDER DEVELOPED. Would you agree?
                                        Its a disgrace!!!!

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                                        • #40
                                          I too have never posted to a rollkur thread-that poor animal and that poor student. People really need to take a step back and use some common sense and realize the end doesn't always justify the means. We are responsible for the welfare of the horse and shouldn't be so desensitized that we can't see the inhumanity of this practice.

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