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A Visit to Totilas' "House"

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  • A Visit to Totilas' "House"

    Here's a very recent German report about the "haus" where Totilas and other Dutch horses live. Totilas is in the video. Perhaps one of our German speaking members can give us a summary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD6x-...layer_embedded
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

  • #2
    The summary, as was also evidenced by the comments to that video, is that it was a rather one-sided report showing the horses only in the barns and in hand.

    On the positive side quite a few of the older (18 to 26 years old) VDL stallions were shown and they were obviously in super condition.

    The report was done to try to answer the question why The Netherlands have successfully taken the lead in equestrian sports.
    Siegi Belz
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    2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
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      #3
      Thank you for the summary!
      "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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      • #4
        A multi-million dollar horse and all he's got is a piece of white tape with his name written on it with a Sharpie?? Wow, I was expecting a gold plated plaque with a diamond inlay of his name...

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        • #5
          Do they purposely drive them insane by piling the hay up outside the stall right where they can't reach it??

          Love those back warmers too... wish we had some!
          http://dressageesquire.blogspot.com
          "The ability to write a check for attire should not be confused with expertise. Proficiency doesn't arrive shrink-wrapped from UPS and placed on your doorstep."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WBLover View Post
            A multi-million dollar horse and all he's got is a piece of white tape with his name written on it with a Sharpie?? Wow, I was expecting a gold plated plaque with a diamond inlay of his name...
            The Dutch have much more important things to spend their money on... like...um... little gold horse heads on the fence posts?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WBLover View Post
              A multi-million dollar horse and all he's got is a piece of white tape with his name written on it with a Sharpie?? Wow, I was expecting a gold plated plaque with a diamond inlay of his name...
              I found that refreshing. Just goes to show that fancy trimmings don't make the horse better.

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              • #8
                The big difference you might notice is that these horses are not pets, they are livestock. The animal husbandry is fantastic, but the excessive/obssesive "care" that we see in North America just isn't a part of their model, especially with the young stock.

                Personally, I think it's great.

                NJR
                Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Quest52 View Post
                  Do they purposely drive them insane by piling the hay up outside the stall right where they can't reach it??

                  Love those back warmers too... wish we had some!
                  I have a friend who is a working student for Karin Donckers in Belgium, and after I saw pictures of the barn with the hay in aisles I wondered that too, but at her barn the horses can reach the hay and Jori said it makes cleaning stalls much easier. So maybe there is a door thing on the stalls that can be dropped down or something so they can reach the hay ?

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                  • #10
                    Omg those babies! And those older stallions, wow!

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                    • #11
                      The stuff in front of the stalls in the last part were shavings...

                      All the other ones wasn't hay, but "kuil" (haylage?). They can stick their head thru the bars and eat, like they do at dairies

                      Oops I missed the part at VDL, I see what you mean. Probably their lunch, they have a lot of people working there, less mistakes if the right amount is laid out perhaps?

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                      • #12
                        Equine factory farming.
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                        • #13
                          Was it just me or were some of those stallions sorta plain?

                          I dont know if ALL of them were breeding stallions but what is it with the breeding world lately. EVERYTHING seems to be good enough to breed???

                          Mares too, just because she's an oven...

                          Sad really, enough horses are put by the wayside as is.

                          I could be totally wrong, and some were very nice, but just a thought.
                          ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                          http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
                            Was it just me or were some of those stallions sorta plain?

                            I dont know if ALL of them were breeding stallions but what is it with the breeding world lately. EVERYTHING seems to be good enough to breed???

                            Mares too, just because she's an oven...

                            Sad really, enough horses are put by the wayside as is.

                            I could be totally wrong, and some were very nice, but just a thought.
                            Yeah, that's why the young horses are just better and better every year, and we're now getting horses that just play with a grand prix test. Poor little babies

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                            • #15
                              I want that chestnut foal! I think I heard the commentator say it was Jus de Pomme (jumper) breeding? I don't care, that foal was gorgeous. Nice chunky butt and neck - just the way I like' em.
                              Most friendships in the horse world are just an opinion away from doom.

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                              • #16
                                Was it just me or were some of those stallions sorta plain

                                Plain is kind of irrelevant when the stallion or mare is an olympic jumper or a producer of olympic dressage or jumper horses. VDL stands some of the greatest warmblod stallions in existance and they own a vast herd of mares from only the best motherlines. If every breeder bred horses of this quality everyone would be producing olympic horses.

                                Some of those boys in the video are clearly older stallions and mares often do not look their best when they have been broodies most of their lives and are now in their teens. The quality of the VDL program speaks for itself .
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                                "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
                                  Was it just me or were some of those stallions sorta plain?

                                  I dont know if ALL of them were breeding stallions but what is it with the breeding world lately. EVERYTHING seems to be good enough to breed???

                                  Mares too, just because she's an oven...

                                  Sad really, enough horses are put by the wayside as is.

                                  I could be totally wrong, and some were very nice, but just a thought.
                                  As stated, these are livestock, not pets. They are not kept in show room condition 24/7. A lot of them live out perhaps, because that's what horses do.
                                  There is likely more thought and science put together in the breeding of these horses than in most breeding in North America. Not every horse bred at this stud is destined to be an Olympic champion, and that is OK, too. There is a large market for good amateur horses in Europe.

                                  In order to judge what you are seeing here, you have to think about it differently that what we see in North America. It is an entirely different ball game and for the most part the Europeans are much better at it.

                                  NJR
                                  Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by NoJacketRequired
                                    A lot of them live out perhaps, because that's what horses do.
                                    I take it you meant a lot of them never get turned out.
                                    It's rare for horses in the Netherlands to live out 24/7! It's even rare to find a place that allows some type of winter turnout. (Zeeland might be different, but even high up north in Friesland, you won't find the regular turnout schedules North America is used to).

                                    Turnout is for foals, once they are in work, they are kept stalled and turn out is replaced by equiciser.
                                    Unless you are rich and have your own place, once the horse doesn't function anymore in the sport, it's disposed of and replaced by a younger horse.
                                    Retirement facilities are hard to find and if availalbe fully booked.
                                    Horses is business, they are way more pragmatic.

                                    Their results might be better, but are the horses happier? I guess if the horses don't know any better, they are.

                                    I prefer british horsekeeping over dutch horsekeeping. I lived next to Pippa Funnel, her horses were allowed to be horses winter & summer. Some of those dutch horses are barn ornaments, other then the time they are being trained or in the showring.
                                    Maybe the longstanding foxhunting tradition is still having an effect on how horses are kept over in Britain, dunno.
                                    Last edited by Lieslot; Mar. 24, 2010, 11:11 AM.

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                                    • #19
                                      Well the proof is in the pudding, so if the young horses get better every year then...


                                      Actually above is correct, my best friend is dutch, and my new trainer and the last were both dutch. The horses are not in permanent turn out.

                                      My horse is now in a pasture, and my new trainer asked me if he was old lol, and why I turned him out so much. I was like he lives there lol.
                                      ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                                      http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                                      • #20
                                        Well the proof is in the pudding, so if the young horses get better every year then...
                                        How long do these young horses get better?
                                        When living there I seem to remember a lot of young-ish (to me) 8 to 10 yr olds being done, although as youngsters they were the best around.
                                        I personally think both mental & physical strength in a horse will last longer when allowed to be a horse.

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