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  • Black Country saddles

    Seeing quite a lot of these at good prices, anyone know anything about them?

    The good the bad and the ugly?
    I have horse to sell to you. Horse good for riding. Can pull cart. Horse good size. Eats carrots and apples. Likes attention. Move head to music. No like opera! You like you buy.

  • #2
    I have a Black Country Minuet and love it.

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    • #3
      I like them. They're well made and have some innovative features available (serge panels). Monoflap is available. I loved the hunt saddle I rode in years ago, which unfortunately didn't fit my horse, and have ridden in one of their dressage saddles which I also liked.
      The aids are the legs, the hands, the weight of the rider, the whip, the caress, the voice and the use of extraneous circumstances. ~ General Decarpentry
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      • #4
        They're truly beautiful. And super comfy. And really well made. You should take a look at Trumbull mountain's website for ideas on all the features the different models offer. They'll make a saddle with components from any of the models you like. Someday, I want to save up for a monoflap...

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        • #5
          Oh - I'm glad this thread came up, I've been thinking about buying one of these with the serge panels and wondered what people thought about them. Particularly if there have been any problems with the serge, but also are they a nice saddle in general?

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          • #6
            Serge panels are wonderful

            My horse is a big mover with a broad, flat back. Bought a serge-paneled Black Country about a year and half ago. It is fantastic!

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            • #7
              I had an older Black Country Eden that I absolutely loved. It killed me to have to sell it because it didn't fit my new horse, especially since I had gotten it for such a good deal. Now I can't even afford a used one, but if I could I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

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              • #8
                And if you happen to have a narrow, bony-backed Thoroughbred, the Black Country Eden with dropped panels and wither gussets fits like a glove. It's pretty comfortable for me too, and the standard "printed vintage" leather on the saddle is wearing well.

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                • #9
                  I had a mono flap Vinici with the wither gusset and wool serge panel. Most comfy saddle I've ever sat in, but the flap and thigh roll were in the wrong place and knee block was too large/wrong place for my long thigh. Once the saddle is opened up, the workmanship is not up to par with say a Passier or Schleese. If you only ride 1 or 2 horses they are great, but I wonder if they would hold up for a professional who rides mant horses daily. I did love my BC and would have another in a different model more suited to my long femur.

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                  • #10
                    My pony is in a Wide hoop tree - and is almost an x-wide.

                    At that size - the twist starts getting kinda wide, but I understand not as much as the Duett's.

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                    • #11
                      I LOVE my Black Country. The only down side is finding a good fitter in the area. . .but I think that may be true about any saddle. . .e.g., I've heard everything from "I love my Schleese" (or County or Custom Saddlery) to "it was a disaster."

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                      • #12
                        I have a BC Eden with serge panels. Bought it from Trumbull Mtn. I can't say enough good things about it. Super comfortable for both of us. My pony's back was impossible to fit with off-the-rack. I sent them a template and they got it right.

                        The serge panels mold much better to the back and are cooler than leather. Also with serge, you will never have to worry about slipping saddle pads again.

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                        • #13
                          I have an xw BC eloquence which I adore, and had a w gpd which I liked very much but didn't fit my horse well. Neither was serge though, I'd like to try serge panels if given the opportunity. I'm curious if hair sticks to serge panels?

                          I've found both of mine to be lovely to ride and well made. I prefer a wide twist generally and am not bothered by the twist of mine. I'd recommend BC to anyone, they are thoughtful in design and custom options seem near limitless.
                          Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ginger View Post
                            The serge panels mold much better to the back and are cooler than leather. Also with serge, you will never have to worry about slipping saddle pads again.
                            Do you not use a saddle pad? How do you keep it clean?

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                            • #15
                              Sorry, I wasn't very clear, was I. I always use a saddle pad, but because serge is wool, it "sticks" to the fabric of the saddle pad so well you don't need those billet straps. The pad never slips back. The serge is like velcro.

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                              • #16
                                I can't personally speak on Black Country's dressage models, but in general I find them to be a wonderful company.
                                I have a Vinici Jump saddle that I absolutely adore.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Ginger View Post
                                  Sorry, I wasn't very clear, was I. I always use a saddle pad, but because serge is wool, it "sticks" to the fabric of the saddle pad so well you don't need those billet straps. The pad never slips back. The serge is like velcro.
                                  Ah - that makes more sense...

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                                  • #18
                                    my bc eden

                                    As a former hunter rider I have never been that comfortable in the super-confining dressage saddle types. The BC is comfortable but fairly neutral in terms of how you sit. I find it helpful in battling my chair seat problem -- it's up to me to fix it, but the saddle doesn't make it harder. I am surprised this saddle is not more well known in the dressage community.
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                                    Unique browbands for dressage and hunter riders

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                                    • #19
                                      I'm also surprised they aren't more well known. I am glad that others find them as comfortable as I do. No, they are not Passiers. But I also have a Passier Optimum, and while that saddle is extremely well made, guess which saddle I'd rather ride in?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Ginger View Post
                                        I'm also surprised they aren't more well known.
                                        I'm not. It's part of their marketing model: rather than charging $4000 to pay for an elaborate system of barn-visiting reps and hundreds of demo saddles and visits to the big fancy show circuits, Black Country only distributes through a few saddleries in the US. Low advertising = low brand recognition. They are REALLY popular over in eventing land, where word of mouth has spread the brand name quickly and easily.

                                        As for the innards of a Black Country, I had nothing but compliments from the one fitter (who overflocked mine) and the custom saddle builder (who looked at mine when I had them out on demo because he'd never seen one and was curious).

                                        A very fine product at a very, very good price. And I say this as someone who sold her BC years ago to buy an Amerigo--I'm still a BC fan for anyone who wants great tack in the $2500-$3000 price range.
                                        Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

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