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  • Changing Posting Diagonals

    I've been riding for 50 years (serious dressage rider for 20+) and only recently ever came across someone teaching students to stand for a beat to change posting diagonals, instead of sitting an extra beat to change. I have done this with young horses, to stay lighter on their backs on occasion, but have never until now heard a professional teach all of their students this way, regardless of horse or rider ability. Any thoughts on this?

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    Actually it two beats either way. I'd rather sit on a more experienced horse, better control.

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    • #3
      I've never heard of it taught as the norm, and I've been around just about as long as you have.
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      • #4
        I've been around forever, too. I always teach to sit two beats.
        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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        • #5
          Pam Goodrich teaches this as an exercise for rider balance and coordination

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          • #6
            It's a great exercise for just that. But to teach it as a method to use matter of course for changing diagonals, never heard of it.
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            • #7
              Changing Posting Diagonals

              It has been around forever. I teach both sitting and standing to change.

              For a student that can't control the trot tempo by posting and just follows the horse, standing helps to teach them how to control the posting tempo.

              I too have been around for 50 plus and can tell you this is nothing new. Instructors that teach riders and horses to go from the seat use this method.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by byrtness View Post
                I've been riding for 50 years (serious dressage rider for 20+) and only recently ever came across someone teaching students to stand for a beat to change posting diagonals, instead of sitting an extra beat to change. I have done this with young horses, to stay lighter on their backs on occasion, but have never until now heard a professional teach all of their students this way, regardless of horse or rider ability. Any thoughts on this?
                haha its sit for two beats to change diaganols if they triane is telling you to stand then sorry she/he doesnt know very much

                the best trianers will teach you how to use the half halt stride during every transition if they cant show you that or tell you how to or explain what it does then ditch the trianer

                i am sayiny this so you can ask yourself or judge for yourself incorrectness from a trianer then the students are students are paying money for old rope

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Koni View Post
                  It has been around forever. I teach both sitting and standing to change.

                  For a student that can't control the trot tempo by posting and just follows the horse, standing helps to teach them how to control the posting tempo.

                  I too have been around for 50 plus and can tell you this is nothing new. Instructors that teach riders and horses to go from the seat use this method.
                  maybe but as there always a but one doesnt stand in there stirrups to do the rising trot as then you would have to much of a gap between your arse and the saddle its a small movement not a huge one and thus is perhaps why people find the rising trot so hard when it doesnt need to be

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                  • #10
                    Pam Goodrich is a wonderful, effective trainer! Standing to change is not easy if you are unbalanced or have a poor position. There is no more gap between your arse and the saddle than there is just posting.
                    Try it!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SuffolkRider View Post
                      Pam Goodrich is a wonderful, effective trainer! Standing to change is not easy if you are unbalanced or have a poor position. There is no more gap between your arse and the saddle than there is just posting.
                      Try it!
                      Very good point. This past summer, I worked for a months with a trainer - who while not a BNT has trained 3 horses to GP and competed in the GP at this years dressage at devon.

                      So..... she watched as I first warmed up and changed diagonal by rising. the next day- out of curiosity - SHE tried and found she could not.

                      Pam Goodrich IS ann effective trainer - and very smart

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                      • #12
                        My now-retired, fairly stern, but classical BHS coach always wanted riders to change posting diagonals by staying up a beat, instead of sitting.

                        Another favorite of his was the 'waltzing trot', which is to sit a beat, then stay up for 2 beats, then sit....up, up, down / up, up, down

                        Try it...it's not easy!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mallard View Post

                          Another favorite of his was the 'waltzing trot', which is to sit a beat, then stay up for 2 beats, then sit....up, up, down / up, up, down

                          Try it...it's not easy!
                          Thanks, really looking forward to trying this.

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                          • #14
                            I'm feeling grumpy.

                            Most of these exercises really have to do with training the rider.

                            My point being that the rider should already be trained BEFORE he/she begins to train the horse ("dressage").

                            Not that you shouldn't always practice these various exercises, but I don't get the feeling that there is any understanding of the separation of the two, and there really should be.

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                            • #15
                              I had a trainer make me do waltzing trots (varying between 2 3 and 4 beats). Funny, I can't count or feel the horses feet going down, but can feel them going up, can't do the exercise when told how often to sit, but can when told how often I should rise.

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                              • #16
                                I do it both depending on the horse and what they are doing, I personally stand more often than sit and I have no idea where I learned it. I think I saw someone do it one day and tried it and I like it better. My horse is very quiet and always looking for an excuse to not do work, I find that when I stand instead of sit he keeps his rhythm better. Some I sit to settle or I stand if they are sensitive totally depends on the horse.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by caddym View Post
                                  Pam Goodrich teaches this as an exercise for rider balance and coordination
                                  Absolutely - that's where I learned it. Works wonders for getting a rider's leg under them where it belongs. I started teaching it as soon as I audited my first clinic with her.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                                    I'm feeling grumpy.

                                    Most of these exercises really have to do with training the rider.

                                    My point being that the rider should already be trained BEFORE he/she begins to train the horse ("dressage").
                                    Even a "trained" rider can get out of balance, especially if that rider is schooling greenies. If I'm feeling a bit off when I've started my trot work, I do this exercise to make sure my leg is in a proper position to support my body weight. And I'm a "trained" rider.

                                    Not that you shouldn't always practice these various exercises, but I don't get the feeling that there is any understanding of the separation of the two, and there really should be.
                                    What, the separation of training horse and rider? I don't think anyone's unclear on that. We're not talking about training the horse with this exercise, after all.
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                                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                                    • #19
                                      Interesting. I ran into the first person I know to do this last summer. H/J rider. Forgot about it. She just does it, but doesn't teach that way - as far a I have seen.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
                                        haha its sit for two beats to change diaganols if they triane is telling you to stand then sorry she/he doesnt know very much

                                        the best trianers will teach you how to use the half halt stride during every transition if they cant show you that or tell you how to or explain what it does then ditch the trianer

                                        i am sayiny this so you can ask yourself or judge for yourself incorrectness from a trianer then the students are students are paying money for old rope
                                        Excuse my anality, but you misspelled "train -- trainer" at least four times. That in itself disqualifies you as a trainer.

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