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    Last edited by YoungFilly; Sep. 16, 2007, 08:14 PM.

  • #2
    I know of an event rider scoring in the 60s at PSG in Florida at recognized shows while riding her Appendix QH event horse in a Wintec Saddle.

    Given her example, I don't think it is the politics. Your post implies that if you spend enough money, and have the expensive horse and the right accessories, you expect to be be given the scores automatically.


    • #3
      I'm sorry you had a bad day, however, I'm no 'BNT' and I get fairly good scores (consistently) at all the levels because I put in an accurate test and follow the directives. My horses are not expensive movers either. Perhaps you're missing something. Do you have a video of your ride?


      • #4
        Ride well, train well, and take good care of your horse. The judges don't care who you are nearly as much as we like to think. :-)

        Yes, it is expensive. But it's not about what gadgets you have, or if your horse has the poshest browband... Don't tell anyone, but my horse's favorite curb bit is a $30 one I borrowed from a friend.

        YES, saddle fit is important. YES good training is important. YES good maintence (adequan/legend/joint supplements, and other preventatives) are important. Are these things expensive? YES.

        But politics? Phhh. Not so much. Judges LOVE to see good riding and happy horses. If you go in the ring and exhude these qualities, you will get the scores.

        Best of luck!
        http://www.imajica.net/stallion/olivier/profile/ Dutch Warmblood stallion, Olivier.


        • #5
          Young Filly,

          What type of payoff are you looking for? Believe me, it takes a lot longer than a year to be truly successful in dressage - Even on a nicely trained horse. I doubt the issue is politics and I know the area you are in very well.

          If your "payoff" is winning then show only at smaller less competitive shows and you are likely to have some pretty decent results.

          If your "payoff" is to really learn to ride and show your horse, be prepared to put in years of time, effort, and money. Only then do you have a chance to be successful in the big shows. Sucess in the show ring is a byproduct of correct riding and harmony with your horse.

          I don't think most people realize how long it takes and how difficult and expensive it is. I currently own a lovely horse because his previous owner underestimated these factors. She gave up and I was able to buy her horse.

          Perhaps you should take some time to rethink your goals. You can certainly improve your riding without spending the close to 6 figures annually unless you are figuring in the cost of your horse. Good training is important. Doing a million horse shows probably isn't.

          I would be happy to discuss this further if you would like to send me a PM.


          • #6
            I haven't really gotten the successes to really warrant the cost
            What successes are you referring to? We all know there is not much prize money to be had.

            Are you thinking you are good enough to beat some pros? What kind of recognition/accolades are you looking for?

            Are you expecting people to see you ride and make a bee-line to your door to offer you their horses to ride?

            What/who are you riding for??
            *** 4 More Years ***
            *** 4 More Years ***


            • #7
              Stop spending so much bloody money on shows and get some training. Just because your horse can do PSG, doesn't mean you can. Go train full-time with a QUALIFIED trainer for a year and THEN start showing. I just can't wrap my brain around why you think money=success. It's such an ignorant attitude that seems all too prevalent among those with money. Money doesn't buy the ability to ride well, sorry honey. Sounds to me like you just like showing off how much money you seem to have, rather than actually enjoying the journey of dressage.


              • #8
                Maybe it is time to re-evaluate the instruction you are receiving.


                • #9
                  Sounds to me like you just like showing off how much money you seem to have, rather than actually enjoying the journey of dressage.

                  "Seems to have" is the pertinent passage.

                  BTW, how's that severely malnourished mare that recently came back from the Texas "retirement" home? We haven't heard much about her progress. Why am I not surprised.
                  *** 4 More Years ***
                  *** 4 More Years ***


                  • #10
                    If winning PSG would just take money instead of knowledge it wouldn't be a sport would it? You should ride to learn instead of just worrying about ribbons. That way you learn and actually might actually win something at one stage
                    Every time you ride, your are either teaching or un-teaching your horse.


                    • #11
                      I agree with a lot of peeps that have posted here before. The essence is that really good riding is required. And- the big surprise is- that a trainer that is a BNT and charges a fortune is not the necessary assurance that you will learn how to ride. Rid yourself of all the preconceived notions about DQ-stardom and what is needed as far as earthly items..and go back to buying a couple of essential books- study them and get real about if you really want to pursue this direction.

                      It is a long hard road. Some start early and learn their basics so easily that it doesn't seem so hard to them- and they are truly in FEI level when they are in their early 20's. They can then ride that stuff. Others start as adults and it takes double the effort and persistence and savvy to navigate around on a budget and make the most of it.
                      Rule number one: don't show unless you're ready. If you get lo 60's- go back to the drawing board.
                      Especially in the top notch shows that you have been going to. There is a better way to operate on a budget and learn the ropes and save your $$ for the time when you KNOW that you can RULE and then go to the top shows. Noone has done it in one year...noone that I know or ever have heard of. It takes years to get there...and it's best to spend your $$ on videotaping your lessons , digesting them and truly spending the time to LEARN the details...before you think about buying that tophat!

                      Be humble- love the sport- it will come but you have to have patience and persistence.

                      Good Luck!
                      "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman


                      • Original Poster

                        Last edited by YoungFilly; Sep. 16, 2007, 08:20 PM.


                        • #13

                          A frustrated wannabe DQ ??

                          Fire the trainer-Fire the instructor.

                          Throw some more money at the "problem".

                          Buy all new tack-all new outfit.

                          Horse was probably ruined by trainer.

                          Better get brand spanking new one (only from Europe of course)

                          Tom N
                          U.S. Olympic Waterboarding Team- Beijing 08


                          • #14
                            This is where my fan club chimes in and can't give any useful info except on how pissed they are that they haven't a done thing with their lives except harp on how I am living my life.
                            You have a consistent habit of ignoring useful advice - remember the "Gigi's done" thread. And your life (such as we know it from your own posts) to me seems to full of chaos and to be lacking in common sense. Sorry.
                            *** 4 More Years ***
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                            • Original Poster

                              Last edited by YoungFilly; Sep. 16, 2007, 08:19 PM.


                              • #16
                                Well that was mature......

                                If you have spent almost 6 figures showing (holy crap are you sure you calculated that right? ) maybe you meant 5? I personally don't understand your question all that well? Are you looking for reassurance that you aren't getting anywhere because you aren't a "big name" on the FL show scene? I hate to tell you but that's probably not it. While there are politics in every horse sport, I think that is more of a hit or miss thing and if you've spent almost 100K showing and you aren't getting anywhere, then it's not the politics that are the problem.

                                If you've spent that much money and aren't getting the "success" you want, then you need to drop back down a level or two or stop showing altogether until you get some better training. Even a hack can get lucky and have a good day sometimes so if you're not even having success some of the time, it's time to revisit your abilities.

                                Something is wrong---fix your riding then get back to showing before you waste anymore money.
                                "There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it"


                                • #17
                                  I guess the question is what are you expecting/hoping to achieve?

                                  Great scores? Awards? These you'll have to ride for. If others are riding better than you, oh well. Back to the drawing board. More lessons, more sweat.

                                  Recognition from your peers? Your picture in the GMO newsletter? Now this is where the politics comes in. And rightly so.

                                  If that's the issue, and it's that important to you, you've really got to learn to play the game. Unless you are Isabelle Werth's doppelganger, your greatness as a rider and the wonderfulness of your horse is only going to get you so far. You've got to be out there being a face and a name. Volunteer for the GMO, scribe, schmooze, chat up the judges and officials. Be a known "Go To" person. This is how you "succeed" in any amateur persuit, be it dressage or theater (is there a difference?)

                                  It isn't about the money you spend. Really.


                                  • #18
                                    you're assuming you should beat a lot of people with a lot more riding lessons under their belt than you. you haven't been at this all that long.

                                    there was a series of threads earlier addressing the level your horse had shown in europe. you might want to refer to them.

                                    you have the seat and the forwardness appropriate and typical of a person at your stage of learning, and that means that you aren't going to always win, because other riders will be further along than you. a person has to learn to accept that when they show at the better shows. it's either that or stay at the schooling and smaller shows.

                                    in many years i saw virtually nothing of 'who you are' and how wealthy you are making it any easier. i saw weak tests, fairly scored. we all go thru the same thing, you know, no one starts winning instantly.

                                    what that money buys that helps success is not bling browbands and new saddles - it buys riding lessons, and very often, very appropriate, suitable horses for the rider, well chosen by a wise trainer. you DO have that - you DO have a very nice, suitable horse. now you just need to work at it over a little longer period of time.

                                    i recall when you first started posting here, you were quite confident that you would be riding and winning at the upper levels very quickly, in big competition. you had, frankly, very unrealistic expectations and a very unrealistic timetable. maybe you're finding out now what you were told back then by just about everyone that responded....it just doesn't happen that way.

                                    dressage judges are mostly very independent, and very knowledgeable. most of them i've met aren't from wealthy families at all, and quite a few of them aren't particularly interested in how much money other people have, in fact, quite a few of them appear to be quite disdainful of the whole 'blingy' thing as well as the weak rider on the expensive horse. years ago i was walking with a judge at a show and asked, 'what about the last bay?', an expensive and very fancy horse that did an erratic, disobedient test for an overmounted rider...he grinned....'i slaughtered it'. people like hilda gurney, linda zang, most of the really super judges i really respect, they are very independent people. they've judged for eyars, if they are still doing it, they have learned long ago to be quite impervious to things like how much money people have or how cute their horse is.

                                    most of them have many decades of working their way up in dressage. most of them are very, very dedicated and take their job very, very seriously, and they aren't schmoozing with customers when they judge and giving them unfairly high marks. judging isn't something you take up to get wealthy, or to be popular, especially not to be popular...at least in part because at some point someone who is not winning is going to accuse the judge of bias. judging is not something a person does to become popular.

                                    there is the exceptional case from time to time, but there are many more people claiming it happens than what realistically is going on. i used to listen to people claim it and then make a point of watching their tests. the problem was that they didn't understand how weak their performance really was, and if they ever read the judge's sheet, they denied every single thing they read on it.


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by YoungFilly View Post
                                      Yeah. This is where my fan club chimes in and can't give any useful info except on how pissed they are that they haven't a done thing with their lives except harp on how I am living my life.

                                      That "severely malnourished mare" is doing good today, thanks a lot.
                                      I have done it and on a very limited budget.

                                      Success=HARD work.


                                      • #20
                                        I cannot help but agree with Sabine. Time and training are so important.

                                        Another point, buying a horse trained to PSG, or higher, does not mean you have purchased a PSG horse. It is quite common for the European trained horses to be trained in the necessary movements, but that does not mean that they are confirmed in them.

                                        It takes an educated rider to continue their education.

                                        I can think of more than one person who has spent more than you, and never gotten into the BNT category or even "famous for their riding" club.
                                        Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                                        Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.