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  • Dressage saddles for the height impaired?

    I've done some searching, and it seems to me that there aren't a lot of choices for dressage saddles for short folks.

    A search on the forum turned up the Prestige Lucky, and a few other models-- but they all seem to be 16", except for the stubben juventus.

    I've had really, really bad luck with stubbens in the past having way too wide a twist for me. Does anyone have a juventus and can comment on the twist?

    I don't see how I could fit my rear into a 16" seat when my much flatter jumping saddle is a 17". I sat in a bunch of dressage saddles last weekend and it seems that I fit nicely into a 17" for most of them, but the regular flaps come approximately to my ankles.

    I can't afford to go custom-- the top of the budget is $1500. I see a lot of used Neidersuss saddles for sale, but buying used from a private seller means I can't return it if it is a horrible fit for me. The horse is an easy to fit TB.

    I live close to pelham saddlery (well, within 2 hours or so) so I was thinking of going up there to try some saddles, but they have about 3 on the website with a short enough flap.

    Do we think I could wedge myself into a 16"? (I am 5' tall and about 130lbs) is there any hope for me finding a short flap saddle I can afford in finite time?
    Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
    you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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    They are out there. I ended up finding a nice County WB w/ a short flap for $1500

    Here's a few different ones on Ebay, do you know your horse's approximate tree size?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Stokes-1...item2305bfa2a0

    http://cgi.ebay.com/USED-SCHLEESE-JE...item4a9f12d40d

    There are also some, like this one, that look like they could be shortened easily
    http://www.mmtackshop.com/paredrsa.html

    When you need a shorter flap you have to get creative about shopping.
    On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

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    • #3
      They cost more than $1500 but I have been able to find 2 short flap County Connection demos
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      • #4
        I too am in the same boat as you! The standard 17" saddles comes with a 17" flap, and I need a 15" - 16" flap. I have looked at Pelham saddlery AND M&M Tack ... and have not had much luck with them. From my hunting (I am currently looking right now too) I would suggest you try a Neidersuss of a Keifer. I know they have some at Pelham you could atleast try to see how they will work for you and your horse. Maybe look at a Verhan Odyssey Dressage Saddle or a Lazer? They are a little more expensive ...

        Good luck!!

        I'll definatly let you know if I come across anything :-)

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        • #5
          hehehehehe, the way the title is worded, it sounded like you needed a pillow to put under your bum

          There are lovely AP saddles geared towards dressage, I think their flaps are a bit shorter.

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          • #6
            Look at the Stübben Juventus D. It is a youth saddle comes with a 17" seat short skirt. Retail is $1225 and it comes in 7 tree sizes.

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            • #7
              The Stubben Scandica DL also comes with a shorter flap and is designed "for the average to shorter legged rider" according to Stubben. The saddle comes in a 17" and comes in a wide range of tree sizes. My TB was measured for a 29 cm tree and I believe the range is something like 27-34 cms. Usually, you can find used Scandicas on ebay or in tack stores for much less than $1500. The Dover Saddlery in Hockessin, DE had a brand new one for $1500 earlier this year, maybe it is still there.

              Good luck in your search!
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              • #8
                Here is an Albion SLK Ultima - 17" seat, Medium tree (high head option good for a horse with withers) and a SHORT flap. The bidding starts at $1,400 or the buy-it-now price is $1,540 which is VERY good considering this saddle retails for about $3,500 new. The only "problem" is that it's brown. Personally, I love brown dressage saddles. If it was my size, etc. I'd go for it.

                http://cgi.ebay.com/ALBION-SLK-ULTIM...item2eaba3915f

                The Albion K2 dressage runs about $2,000 new. You can order it with a short flap at no extra charge - plus whatever seat and tree size you need.

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                • Original Poster

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                  Does anyone know of any AP-styled saddles that would be suitable?

                  Also, I'm not sure about the HH albion...This horse doesn't strike me as having a particularly high wither, but she is a little bulky in the shoulder...
                  Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                  you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post
                    Does anyone know of any AP-styled saddles that would be suitable?

                    Also, I'm not sure about the HH albion...This horse doesn't strike me as having a particularly high wither, but she is a little bulky in the shoulder...
                    County Eventer, and they are often available used in your price range
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post
                      Does anyone know of any AP-styled saddles that would be suitable?
                      Albion K2 VSD. Here is a used one for $1,300.

                      http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/l...addles/l328074

                      I'm not an Albion dealer - just happen to be familiar with them since I own two myself.

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                      • #12
                        I love my Thornhill JC (Jorge Canaves). It is an older model and I think has been renamed/redone as the Vienna? A friend who also is not very tall had a Niedersuss Symphony that fit both of us (I sometimes was asked to exercise her horse). For an AP, I would recommend either one of the Stubbens or a Courbette as they come in a variety of styles and flap designs.
                        Jeanie
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post
                          Also, I'm not sure about the HH albion...This horse doesn't strike me as having a particularly high wither, but she is a little bulky in the shoulder...
                          According to this, the HH is made for "Thoroughbred-types."

                          The standard low head tree is suitable for the majority of horses and riders. The high head is contoured more steeply through the pommel for Thoroughbred-type horses that have very high, long withers.

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                          • #14
                            Wintec makes an All Purpose that is suitable for flat work. In other words its an AP with a longer flap...(or a dressage with a shorter flap)
                            its called the Wintec VSD.
                            Not sure if a Wintec is the way u wanna go though...

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                              #15
                              I would like to stay as far away from wintec as possible, as the idea of a synthetic saddle totally offends my long-standing tack snob tendencies. I am hoping I will be able to find a good quality used saddle in my budget.

                              That albion is tempting but I am worried that a high wither M tree is going to be too narrow for this horse. My M tree pessoa jump saddle fits her perfectly, but my M tree antares is a little tight in the shoulder. I requested measurements.
                              Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                              you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                              • #16
                                I haven't read all the replies, forgive me...

                                I am a short, fat 5'4"

                                What I have found, is that a VSD saddle suits me MUCH better than a 'pure' dressage. The flaps are perfect for me. My knees don't go over the flaps, without going up to impossible seat sizes. In a dressage saddle with a straight flap, I'd need an 18.5 or even 19" in some--but then the flap would (and does) hit my stirrup iron.

                                A VSD model will usually have a shorter flap and forward enough for my short legs.

                                Myself, I adore Passiers--mostly because His Princeness & the Pea approves, and they can be widened enough even for His Stupid Wideness... but also because my hip approves and my right leg does not fall asleep--not inconsequential requirements.

                                I also have loffed King's Saddlery with a short flap, and Rembrants with a short flap.

                                If you can figure out what length flap you need (16 is the LONGEST I can have!) then you can shop Ebay or online more easily... you CAN get flaps shortened for around $150-200 if you find a saddle you loff but the stirrup iron hits the flap.
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                                • #17
                                  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

                                  This has a 15 inch flap according to the ad. I'd jump on it, but the panels are wrong for my boy. Good luck in the saddle hunt.

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                                  • #18
                                    I am 5' nothin' and 100lbs, so I also need a short-flapped saddle.
                                    I had one made for my big guy 10 years ago (he is now retired) and I now needed something to fit the pony.
                                    In my search last year I tried at least a dozen different saddles ... one of which was a 17" Stubben Juventus.
                                    I did not like the quality of it at all. And it had horrible tan-coloured trim on it, that looked like plastic. And the seat was hard.

                                    The Amerigo Vega has short flaps. We quite liked it.
                                    Schleese JES also has short flaps...and this is what I ended up with. And we LOVE it.
                                    Not sure if you can find used ones in your price range.

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                                    • #19
                                      Passiers have an option for a shorter flap for the vertically challenged. However, I'm not sure if they only make the shorter flap for the smaller seat sizes. Barnsby's have a short flap, very comfy but aren't the best shape and style for many people, but you can definitely try it. Your best bet is to hunt for a used saddle custom made for a shorter person or just a used saddle in general. Best of luck!

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                                      • #20
                                        I have the County Connection with the shorter, more forward flaps.

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