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  • why put your title on the show entry?

    This may be an odd question, but looking at the show results here in Wellyworld, I was struck but the number of people who put "Doctor" on their entries, and thus this gets reported in the results. Why? I could understand if one were an equine vet, being in the equine world, but otherwise?

    Now, for full disclosure, I am an MD, with 7 years of post grad training, an appointment at a teaching university, publications, awards, etc. I, however, would never, and have never put my title on a horse show entry. I am very good at what I do in the human world, but just an amateur in the horse world, so why put the "doctor" in at all?

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    Originally posted by mickeydoodle View Post
    This may be an odd question, but looking at the show results here in Wellyworld, I was struck but the number of people who put "Doctor" on their entries, and thus this gets reported in the results. Why? I could understand if one were an equine vet, being in the equine world, but otherwise?

    Now, for full disclosure, I am an MD, with 7 years of post grad training, an appointment at a teaching university, publications, awards, etc. I, however, would never, and have never put my title on a horse show entry. I am very good at what I do in the human world, but just an amateur in the horse world, so why put the "doctor" in at all?
    One of my trainers has a PhD in statistics. He goes by his first name in the barn, but if I were ever to address him or introduce him by "Prefix Lastname" he would be Dr. X.

    It's Dr. Klimke, not Mr.


    Drs are Drs on their mailing address, their magazine subscription labels, their name that appears in their college alumni fund donation list, any place where there is a little place to check off Mr, Mrs. Ms, or Dr...why not horseshows?
    It is an earned title, and I do not think it is egotistical to use it. They aren't Mrs or Mses, they're Drs.
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    • #3
      Some people in the horse show world are very traditional with their titles especially if they hear their scores read over the PA. The formality also veries by the seat/discipline and the area of the country. In days of old when horse shows made the society page of the newspaper the title always came before the name of the rider and the name of the horse's owner.
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      • #4
        IMHO, you spent the time, effort and cash getting the title, you should get the option.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Noplainjane View Post
          Some people in the horse show world are very traditional with their titles especially if they hear their scores read over the PA. The formality also veries by the seat/discipline and the area of the country. In days of old when horse shows made the society page of the newspaper the title always came before the name of the rider and the name of the horse's owner.
          Yep, and known of some matriarchs of the show ring who went by their husband's name in the manner that married women used to be called in public, such as Mrs. F. D. Sinclair. It is very much a "society" thing

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          • #6
            I never put my title (Dr.) on the show entry. Honestly even when I was in a 100% equine practice I preferred to not have people realize I was there. It was hard enough to go to a show and actually just focus on my horses if I had any clients there despite an on-call vet being listed. It's been years since I crossed over to the dark side but I still will get people approaching me at shows wanting me to look at this or that, or recommending this or that...............so no thanks, I know who and what I am as well as the effort it took to get here. At the horse shows I prefer to be the rider/trainer/competitor and not the vet.
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            • #7
              I never put my title (PhD) on entries either...it never occurred to me. The only time I really use is it when someone asks, "Is it Ms or Mrs" and then I say, "Neither - it's Dr."
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              • #8
                No. Never did. As far as most of the horse world knows, I'm just another stupid babbling amateur.

                The odd thing to me is that nowadays there are few to no people using Mr. or Miss or Mrs; the only prefix title I ever hear is Dr. Years ago on the west coast we had Mrs. J.A. Smith but that was many moons ago.
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                • #9
                  OH I can't WAIT for people to call me 'Dr.'! And to announce it over a loudspeaker? HEAVEN!!! And hopefully it will be within the year...

                  Okay, uh, I'm sure the thrill will wear off after a while but just once, can I, can I?!

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                  • #10
                    LOL, like Klimke (which is the only thing alike, lol), I am a Doctor of Jurisprudence. My mail comes addressed to me as Dr. or Esq., but I don't put it on the show entries.

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                    • #11
                      BTW, just a curiosity, but having a doctorate entitles you to be called "Doctor", however I also have a Master's degree and no one has ever addressed me as "Master" or "Mistress"....not even my animals.

                      Can you imagine hearing THAT over the loudspeaker though?

                      LOL.

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                      • #12
                        LOL, I've never understood people who use titles other than in their professions. I'm an attorney with a graduate degree in political science - and could use JD, Esq, Doctor. Don't use titles on show entries, don't use them on my credit cards, don't use them on my checks (have a friend who does) and don't get mail addressed as such except professionally or from alumni associations. Do you know that the correct Associated Press style for medical doctors is to refer to them by their last name and not their titles - so it would be Doodle rather than Dr. Doodle?

                        When I'm a judge, do you think I could get them to call me "The Honorable Discobold" over the loudspeaker ?

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                        • #13
                          Frankly, I just prefer "Ma'am".

                          "God", apparently, is taken.

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                          • #14
                            My husband has a PhD and according to him, it is bad form for PhDs to use the title of "Dr." outside of their profession.

                            The only time there is a "Dr." in front of his name is when his alumni associations ask for money, and on the occasional professional journal.

                            Oh, and his great-aunt insists on using it when sending birthday & Christmas cards.

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                            • #15
                              my dad was so proud of me being a dvm, and he was terribly dissapointed when he came to some big show for the first time and i didn't have dr listed on the entry when there were other dr's that did.
                              i continue to put it on there because it mattered so much to him, and now that i am used to it, i do like seeing it too.

                              and i must say, my clients have nearly always been respectful of my time when i was at a show, and if there was something they wanted an opinion on i would only offer it if i felt like i could do that in a time that didn't bug me. if i didnt want to or couldn't take the time, i just told them i was sorry and to please contact the vet at the show. it has never stressed me out.

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                              • #16
                                I think it's ridiculous. The rest of the people riding aren't announced as Mr. Smith or Mrs. Brown. I find it just plain pretentious and I have 2 degrees. I can certainly understand using your title in whatever profession you have but do you ask people at the barn to address you as Dr.?
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                                • #17
                                  it has never stressed me out.

                                  It doesn't stress me out as you imply; however, I have lost entry fees which were already paid because I missed out on my ride time/class due to a client's horse getting torn up on the trailer and their insistance that I deal with it then and there. The client refused the on call vet because of a past experience. The on call vet knew I was there too and requested that I deal with it and offered his truck/supplies. It's fortunate that your clients respect your time on your 'off' hours. Obviously, there was no need to list Dr on my entries. Enough people already knew

                                  Honestly at a horse show, I'm more proud of my accomplishments as a rider/trainer. That is how I started in life. Going to vet school came long after I started riding. It's not my DVM that is being assessed when I go down the centerline; so I see no need to announce it to everyone there.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by exvet View Post
                                    Honestly at a horse show, I'm more proud of my accomplishments as a rider/trainer. That is how I started in life. Going to vet school came long after I started riding. It's not my DVM that is being assessed when I go down the centerline; so I see no need to announce it to everyone there.
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                                    • #19
                                      The only time I really use is it when someone asks, "Is it Ms or Mrs" and then I say, "Neither - it's Dr."
                                      When I am in a military area - especially in civilian clothes - if someone calls me Mrs. then I say, "It's Captain". Otherwise I think it's very pretentious.
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                                      • #20
                                        I'm with DressageGeek on this one. I never use my PhD title except in certain ever so snooty stores/hotels/restaurants, where they ask is it Miss or Mrs (not even the Ms option which I would be fine with). I always reply then, that it is neither, it is Doctor. If in the same settings, people just say Ms. without asking, I am perfectly happy with that and I would never put it on a horseshow entry
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