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Mr. Dover, I beg to differ...

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  • Mr. Dover, I beg to differ...

    from Dover's World:

    "Today ended the Palm Beach Derby with an underwhelming Freestyle class, sorry to say. So many times I can remember over a thousand people there to watch a hotly contested class while a full tent of people dined at lunch. Today, due to most of the strongest combinations having gone for the Special, the field was not as strong and this could be seen as well by the lack of spectators. My Canadians placed 2nd and 3rd for which I was happy."

    Please allow me to give my perspective of what happened at the Derby today:

    There were plenty of spectators though I do agree they weren't as rowdy as in past years. For some reason the Derby didn't have their usual fundraiser luncheon but since the majority of spectators could never afford to attend, I'm not sure this had a significant impact on the crowd.

    As for 'my Canadians,' I didn't see Robert coaching either Jackie Brooks or Chris van Martels. I did see Ashley Holzer coaching Chris. Robert did look very dapper in his golf cart however.

    And finally, the Canadians placed 2nd and 4th. An American placed 3rd.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Plantagenet View Post
    from Dover's World:

    "Today ended the Palm Beach Derby with an underwhelming Freestyle class, sorry to say. So many times I can remember over a thousand people there to watch a hotly contested class while a full tent of people dined at lunch. Today, due to most of the strongest combinations having gone for the Special, the field was not as strong and this could be seen as well by the lack of spectators. My Canadians placed 2nd and 3rd for which I was happy."

    Please allow me to give my perspective of what happened at the Derby today:

    There were plenty of spectators though I do agree they weren't as rowdy as in past years. For some reason the Derby didn't have their usual fundraiser luncheon but since the majority of spectators could never afford to attend, I'm not sure this had a significant impact on the crowd.

    As for 'my Canadians,' I didn't see Robert coaching either Jackie Brooks or Chris van Martels. I did see Ashley Holzer coaching Chris. Robert did look very dapper in his golf cart however.

    And finally, the Canadians placed 2nd and 4th. An American placed 3rd.
    Wouldn't the more appropriate place to discuss issues you have with Robert Dover's blog forum be ...Robert Dover's forum?

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      #3
      That there's my perspective on the Palm Beach Derby.

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      • #4
        i saw robert's blog, and the report I got from the freestyle was that my coach placed 3rd with Rockmaninoff (Joe Sandven).....however I don't see the results up yet to double check it.....
        but pretty sure he is still a US citizen

        It would be a bummer to be the 2nd and 4th placed riders (who must not have sucked!) and have the phrase underwhelming show up on his website.

        carovet

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Plantagenet View Post
          That there's my perspective on the Palm Beach Derby.
          Yes, and Robert Dover has what is known as a "comment feature" on his posts.

          I know we are all supposed to jump on the "Let's discuss how much Robert Dover's coverage sucks in the third person over here in this separate forum" band wagon, but I feel a far simpler alternative to creating a whole new post and cutting and pasting all the way over here is to simply

          1. click on the "comment" link
          2. type:
          Please allow me to give my perspective of what happened at the Derby today: ed note: here's where that "comments" feature comes in handy: to please allow you to give just that!

          There were plenty of spectators though I do agree they weren't as rowdy as in past years. For some reason the Derby didn't have their usual fundraiser luncheon but since the majority of spectators could never afford to attend, I'm not sure this had a significant impact on the crowd.

          As for 'my Canadians,' I didn't see [you] coaching either Jackie Brooks or Chris van Martels. I did see Ashley Holzer coaching Chris. [You] did look very dapper in [your] golf cart however.

          And finally, the Canadians placed 2nd and 4th. An American placed 3rd.
          into the text box
          and
          3. hit submit.

          Voila!
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          Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
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          • #6
            I am certain Mr. Dover looked very dapper in his golf cart as he watched his Canadians. Thank you for the update on the Derby.

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            • #7
              Does he not love to delete stuff he does not like?

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                  Does he not love to delete stuff he does not like?
                  With respect, unless he deleted your post, that's just scurrilous.
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                  • #10
                    ROBERT DOVER IS REALLY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES

                    HE PUTS IN 100% ,

                    PLS DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A THREAD OF NEGATIVE ENERGY. Everyone in the world has the right to comment and write to their hearts content. Please make us proud to be a part of this incredible sport, we can agree to disagree but do we have to reveal any anti - energy on us ?

                    How many of you that commented have attended the Derby ? In the GPS and the Kur only 6 riders scored over a 65% and in the Kur there were only 9 entries. The Freestyle used to be the showpiece of the Derby. That is underwhelming....in my opinion too. Also, Robert's job is with many Canadian's who work with their own trainers, and not to give them a riding lesson at the horse show.

                    Sometimes I forget who received what placing, so he must have as well...maybe he isn' t perfect. That said I certainly am proud of Chris Van Martels and his new horse Naomi. I would guess he wants to make the team so it is his decision who warms him up. Katherine was 5th and Joe was 3rd, and he used to ride with Robert. I'd say it was a great day for RD but, I agree it was an underwhelming class for our sport . We have The World Equestrian Games upcoming...it's show time. I believe the last time i checked Dover's World, he said he wanted to beat the American's !!

                    From personal experience, Robert is an amazing coach and trainer, and showing top sport is complicated with many little details involved and he is a leader that can walk you through the experience.

                    Training a team is a collective experience and job. There are many assets available to us to learn from if you listen well and watch carefully. Ask questions, list what puzzles you but do not bash people, i do not think you would like to be on the receiving end of these kind of comments and words.

                    KARIN OFFIELD
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                    • #11
                      Sometimes I forget who received what placing, so he must have as well...maybe he isn' t perfect. That said I certainly am proud of Chris Van Martels and his new horse Naomi. I would guess he wants to make the team so it is his decision who warms him up. Katherine was 5th and Joe was 3rd, and he used to ride with Robert. I'd say it was a great day for RD but, I agree it was an underwhelming class for our sport . We have The World Equestrian Games upcoming...it's show time. I believe the last time i checked Dover's World, he said he wanted to beat the American's !!
                      Is this the same Naomi that Lars Peterson rode this summer? and Lisa Wilcox rode in the last Olympic selections? (And Betsy STeiner had before Lisa and Michael Barisone's wife Vera had before Betsy).

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                      • #12
                        The very same one. Same owner, at least.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                          With respect, unless he deleted your post, that's just scurrilous.

                          It was a question, stemming back from his tirade over how much driving sucks, many people from COTH replied and got their responses deleted.

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                            #14
                            Karin:

                            I agree that Robert puts in 100%. I admire the energy he has put into supporting the Canadians.

                            However, it was Robert who threw the negative energy into the water.

                            He implied that there was a 'lack of spectators' at the freestyle because of a lack of quality in the rides. That is an insult to the riders who also put in 100% to put together a GP freestyle and rode a Grand Prix horse in one of the most public of US dressage venues. You know better than anyone how much that takes.

                            I thought there were a lot of people at the freestyle. I think the tone of the show was flatter than usual partly because of Courtney's accident. The freestyle followed the service for Courtney and that didn't lend itself to the usual Derby rowdy freestyle crowd.

                            I also think it is misleading and a little condescending for Robert to call the Canadians 'my Canadians.' There has been excellent Canadian dressage before Robert took their position. I think that he means it as a term of loyalty but Canadians are not stray puppies that Robert adopted from the pound!

                            I would also like to thank you, Karin, for what you have done to support dressage. I think you've been a very positive influence and I hope you continue.

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                            • #15
                              He has every right to call them "my canadians." Just like every foreign trainer here has a right to call us "their americans." He is their coach, he now get's credit for what they do, regardless of who they train with. Look at other sports, use the olympics for an example. Say a gymnist trains their whole life with one trainer, gets into the olympics and now has a new trainer that some commity picked for them... That new trainer gets the credit when they win gold. Hopefully the life long trainer will get some recognition in a newspaper somewhere. But every gymnist knows who that gymnist really trained under anyway, so it's only the outsiders that dont have a clue.

                              They pay him to be there, coaching or not, he is still there for them. They ARE his and he is theirs. Its all a package deal. Sorry to their former/present trainers for not getting better credit, but it wouldnt take much effort to find out who they really train with if you dont know.

                              My two cents. Cant say anything about the Derby as i wasnt there.
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                              • #16
                                Canadians are not stray puppies that Robert adopted from the pound!
                                no they are more like those little multi coloured easter chicks,



                                He is their coach, he now get's credit for what they do, regardless of who they train with.
                                He has a role in the coaching for some of the Canadians but I think you are very wrong about the rest including the extraneous apostrophe.

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                                • #17
                                  I was in Florida with the Jane Savoie group in January; Mr. Dover was at the show we went to (Season Opener???) and he was putting in a LOT of time with the Canadians. He also did a little bit of informal coaching for another rider who doesn't train with him, but he liked what he saw and was trying to get the rider as a customer. Of course it is marketing, but I liked how helpful he was to someone he barely knew.

                                  I will admit, I was a little disappointed at how "thin" the Freestyle entries were compared to the Special... but I know putting together a good Freestyle is a LOT of work.
                                  You have to have experiences to gain experience.

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                                  • #18
                                    I think it is endearing of Robert Dover to use the term 'my Canadian's' being that he is their Team Coach.
                                    I am Canadian. I am not offended by this.
                                    Perhaps we can now refer to him as 'our Robert Dover' in return? lol
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                                    you KNOW I won't do it!" Edna Mode

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                                      It was a question, stemming back from his tirade over how much driving sucks, many people from COTH replied and got their responses deleted.
                                      NJR raises hand.

                                      AM I allowed to have an opinion now?

                                      NJR
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                                      • #20
                                        Yes, NJR?

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