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I did not know P. Parelli publicly insulted other disciplines...

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  • #41
    Originally posted by Aggie4Bar View Post
    I think you should stop holding back, and tell us how you really feel.
    Aggie, you and I are thinking alike again!!!

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    • #42
      Originally posted by STF View Post
      IN college station yrs ago, LP was yapping her jaws about how bad dressage was and left a very negative air of dressage overall. She was nasty and ugly about it as well. You want to talk about people dishing other people disiplines, someone needs to START with them!!!

      Linda needs to come see my horses' toplines after a year working with a very knowledagable dressage trainer. Even my 17 year old's back has really changed/muscled up.

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      • #43
        I have no dog in this fight. I don't know the Parelli's from Adam's house cat. I've never been to a Parelli demonstration or clinic, I've never watched a Parelli video, and I'm not sure I would even recognize one of them if I ran into them on the street (doesn't Pat have a big mustache?).

        But it seems that this is tit for tat. They say "terrible things about dressage", dressage people say terrible things about their methods. What is the difference? (And I ask that in all innocense as a dressage devotee.)

        As far as marketing goes - they aren't the only ones in the horse world to make a good living by being slick marketeers. There is at least one major WB registry operating here that has made a TON of money over the years for its silver-tongued owner, as well as plenty of other folks who have done OK by being good at the marketing game.

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        • #44
          See.... that is what the Parellidipwadpair dont understand, that when a horse is correctly trained and brought up the trianing scale that collection comes from strength of the hind and back. The horse is always light in our hands and light in the front.
          But, they will tell you different because THEY (P and L) are the experts of horses and ALL training methods.
          www.spindletopfarm.net
          Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
          "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Kenike View Post
            I don't know what hunter trainers told Eclectic Horseman that "dressage riders give horses hard mouths," but I, as a H/J rider, have never heard that. But, I digress....
            Old timers that ride field hunters and do hunter trials, etc. in addition to show ring hunters, The younger trainers, particularly those that do jumpers, seem to understand and accept dressage principles. Some of them even cross train with dressage instructors.
            "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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            • #46
              Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
              I have no dog in this fight. I don't know the Parelli's from Adam's house cat. I've never been to a Parelli demonstration or clinic, I've never watched a Parelli video, and I'm not sure I would even recognize one of them if I ran into them on the street (doesn't Pat have a big mustache?).

              But it seems that this is tit for tat. They say "terrible things about dressage", dressage people say terrible things about their methods. What is the difference? (And I ask that in all innocense as a dressage devotee.)

              As far as marketing goes - they aren't the only ones in the horse world to make a good living by being slick marketeers. There is at least one major WB registry operating here that has made a TON of money over the years for its silver-tongued owner, as well as plenty of other folks who have done OK by being good at the marketing game.
              Chris, the only thing I have against it all is there are so many people in this cult that are getting a bad impression of our sport. Linda was very negative in College Station about what we do and VERY incorrect on what she said. THey are misleading people who dont have a clue of our true sport into thinking its harmful for a horse.
              Educated people (which they are not) know that dressage training in the correct way, can help the horse stay sound, healthy and mentally balanced. But those fartfaces, dont explain it that way.
              www.spindletopfarm.net
              Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
              "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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              • #47
                Watching them on a lunge line doing figure 8;s on young baby horses at 100mph is soooooooooooo good for their joints, aint it!?

                I dont care what they do on their own time. They could stick their head up the horses ass for all I care, but they need to shut their mouth on dressage matters that they know NOTHING about.

                Training with WAZ is not what they needed. WAZ is the nicest person you could ever meet and would not hurt someone feelings even if he needed to. Those crackpots need to go train with someone like Ernst Hoyos, Krya Kyrklund, etc. You know "Those dressage trainers" who have sound and healthy horses doing this sport, even into the late teen and early 20's, cuz it soooo horrible for the horse! Not to mention, those type would prob. tell Linda she was a disgrace to a horse and excuse her from the ring anyway!
                Gosh, I loath them!!!
                www.spindletopfarm.net
                Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
                "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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                • #48
                  There is nothing "natural" in what PP's show has morphed into.

                  And I hope he meant "bad dressage riders". For him to make a blanket statement like that after the gracious reactions He and She (expecially She) received from WAZ during their embarrassing rides featured on the "Matter of Trust Extras" tape is really tasteless.
                  Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                    I have no dog in this fight. I don't know the Parelli's from Adam's house cat. I've never been to a Parelli demonstration or clinic, I've never watched a Parelli video, and I'm not sure I would even recognize one of them if I ran into them on the street (doesn't Pat have a big mustache?).

                    But it seems that this is tit for tat. They say "terrible things about dressage", dressage people say terrible things about their methods. What is the difference? (And I ask that in all innocense as a dressage devotee.)

                    As far as marketing goes - they aren't the only ones in the horse world to make a good living by being slick marketeers. There is at least one major WB registry operating here that has made a TON of money over the years for its silver-tongued owner, as well as plenty of other folks who have done OK by being good at the marketing game.

                    The people being most vocal in their criticism here, myself included, have had PLENTY of exposure to Parelli. I would suggest tuning into RFDTV or getting your hands on his DVD's...or even visit his website. There you'll find pictures of foals being jumped (yes, JUMPED) and all manner of ridiculous antics, done in the name of selling his "system" and cleverly disguised as being of benefit to horses. Yes, others are making a buck off training methods also. But the Parellis are in an unholy league of their own.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Rusty Stirrup View Post
                      There is nothing "natural" in what PP's show has morphed into.

                      And I hope he meant "bad dressage riders". For him to make a blanket statement like that after the gracious reactions He and She (expecially She) received from WAZ during their embarrassing rides featured on the "Matter of Trust Extras" tape is really tasteless.
                      Its not tape???
                      Ohhhhh, I must get it for my collection!

                      A girlfriend of mine gave me a Parelli shirt as a gag gift with a big circle and line through the logo.

                      EVeryone knows Im very antiPP!
                      www.spindletopfarm.net
                      Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
                      "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by TBROCKS View Post
                        The people being most vocal in their criticism here, myself included, have had PLENTY of exposure to Parelli. I would suggest tuning into RFDTV or getting your hands on his DVD's...or even visit his website. There you'll find pictures of foals being jumped (yes, JUMPED) and all manner of ridiculous antics, done in the name of selling his "system" and cleverly disguised as being of benefit to horses. Yes, others are making a buck off training methods also. But the Parellis are in an unholy league of their own.
                        Parelli is the only person in the world to ever have jumped too young a horse? Wow. The things one learns on this BB. Hey... I would suppose then that young foals and horses who jump things of their own free will... umm, they should be taken out of the pasture and put in a stall to protect themselves? That would only make sense, right?




                        *shaking head*
                        You know, I will agree w/anyone that Pat Parelli gets my goat. His attitude of being THHEEEEEE only one who knows anything is just, well, I suppose just that - his attitude. If we all were lambasted for our attitudes..... well.

                        Going back through and reading this thread... bile, pure unadulterated bile is what some of these posts are. Any Parelli follower who actually might could have learned something positive about dressage by reading this thread will only feel vindicated in their Parellie views. sylvia
                        Never explain yourself to someone who is committed to misunderstanding you.

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                        • #52
                          THIS makes me ill!
                          Based on where this foals front feet landed and his back leg position, you know he scaped himself on the fence.
                          #$%#%#$ dipwad!

                          And edited to say, that poor foal is maybe a month old! I guess its NATRUAL training to take it away from its mother so soon, ey?

                          Natural my ass!!!!! * rolling eyes*
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                          "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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                          • #53
                            I am not going to defend the Parelli's, but I wanted to add an interpretation of this tight rein=no brain comment. I've heard him say this but not in the context of talking about dressage.

                            I used to do a lot of Parelli. I So i thought i'd share the context in which i've heard this comment in the past...

                            Basically, the philosophy in PNH is that horses are by nature claustrophobic creatures, and that the tighter you make the rein, the more claustrophobic they become. Novices who own spooky horses they have no business owning may ride with a tight rein to control their horse. the spookier the horse gets, the tighter they pull the reins. and so the vicious cycle continues.

                            Its about ignorant riders doing the wrong thing with the reins.
                            My blog: Change of Pace - Retraining a standardbred via dressage

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                            • #54
                              .

                              Originally posted by STF View Post
                              THIS makes me ill!
                              Based on where this foals front feet landed and his back leg position, you know he scaped himself on the fence.
                              #$%#%#$ dipwad!

                              And edited to say, that poor foal is maybe a month old! I guess its NATRUAL training to take it away from its mother so soon, ey?

                              Natural my ass!!!!! * rolling eyes*
                              What would be the point of this anyway? I mean why? Because you can>>?
                              ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                              http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                I think he (or more likely she--PP was far less noxious in the pre-Linda days) must have been severely frightened by someone in a shadbelly and top hat as a young child.
                                ya never know what will pop out of a magician's hat...

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by TBROCKS View Post
                                  The people being most vocal in their criticism here, myself included, have had PLENTY of exposure to Parelli. I would suggest tuning into RFDTV or getting your hands on his DVD's...or even visit his website. There you'll find pictures of foals being jumped (yes, JUMPED) and all manner of ridiculous antics, done in the name of selling his "system" and cleverly disguised as being of benefit to horses. Yes, others are making a buck off training methods also. But the Parellis are in an unholy league of their own.
                                  LOL!! Yup...I even own a carrot stick....bought it during my cult boarding years.

                                  Comes in handy when I'm chasing the evil kitty around the house after she beats the other kitty up.

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                                  • #57
                                    Did ANYONE read my post? Sheesh I know I'm invisible but I was really hoping you lot could make the distinction between Parelli's audience and serious 'equestrians'. Not that it's an excuse for his comments - not at all - but I was really hoping that in addition to all this vitriol we could acknowledge that he was targeting a group of people who, quite frankly, probably shouldn't ever be allowed to shorten their reins.

                                    I just don't think we should bash back at someone simply because they don't like our sport and are saying bad things about it.... surely it's better to discredit them based on their own (lack of) merits. I know PP makes it difficult to treat him with respect, but for the sake of the image of dressage we need to be the ones to take the high road. This means education, not condemnation.

                                    (Having said that, I just finished watching a PP segment on telly and I walked away shaking my head and muttering to myself.)
                                    The horse, the noblest, bravest, proudest, most courageous, and certainly the most perverse and infuriating animal that humans ever domesticated. - Anne McCaffrey

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                                    • #58
                                      Well his handlebar mustache musta got in his ears when WAZ was explaining that rein contact is the following of the horse movements. That haromony is dressage is not blocking the reins, body, legs, seat, etc, etc. Its being one with the horse. You cant be stupid with the reins, even on a short rein if your following.
                                      And he should have not used this in dressage context when he himself knows very little about the true sport and its theory, that showing alone how stupid the pair really are to the knowing world.
                                      www.spindletopfarm.net
                                      Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
                                      "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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                                      • #59
                                        I have never been able to figure out WHAT the appeal is. The guy and his wife ride like my non horsey bf would if I put him on a horse for the first time and took away his stirrups..the wife in particular. Why would anyone want advice from a "horseman" who cannot for the life of him/her sit effectively on a horse?

                                        Secondly..WHO are the people who are buying this SHI*???!! I have a feeling it is real newbies who are astounded by what really is in most cases, laughable and not at all praiseworthy.

                                        The last clip I saw of him..the wife was instructing some woman to "sit on her thumb and flap her arms" while pat was jumping on foot over a log while his horse followed way to close behind (uhhhh wow you must really want a 1300lb animal landing on you when you trip over that log).

                                        Good lord..if you need parelli to work with horses you shouldnt be working with horses!
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                                        "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                                          LOL!! Yup...I even own a carrot stick....bought it during my cult boarding years.

                                          Comes in handy when I'm chasing the evil kitty around the house after she beats the other kitty up.

                                          I have watched bits and peices of it, only to have to laugh and turn it off. I was watching something years ago where she was talking about peddling and letting the horse goes where it wants to go, etc.
                                          Id like her to try that on some of the hot OTTBs Ive taken off the track in the past to retrain! LMAO
                                          Now THAT would be worth my money to go see!!!
                                          www.spindletopfarm.net
                                          Home of Puerto D'Azur - 1998 NA 100 Day Test Champion
                                          "Charcter is much easier kept than recovered"

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