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I did not know P. Parelli publicly insulted other disciplines...

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  • I did not know P. Parelli publicly insulted other disciplines...

    ~Parents and I were watching a Parelli special.

    He was talking about pressure or something, I wasn't really paying attention for obvious reasons.

    Until he blabs:
    [Sorry, I just snorked.]

    You see those dressage riders going around? tight rein = no brain.

    He said that out loud in a clinic that was aired on TV.
    What a loser.
    Kind of like when we were in highschool and some girls would say mean things about others just to make themselves feel better.


    You would think that a pro such as Parelli would be above that kind of behavior.
    So sad.
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  • #2
    The man is a moron with a marketing degree....who gives a flip what he and his crappy-riding wife have to say about dressage!
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    • #3
      Wouldn't it have been great if those that disagree with him simply got up and walked OUT?

      And, if he thinks following feel equals 'tight' then his ignorance is showing. If anybody had doubts about him before, this cinched the deal.

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      • #4
        NICE.
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        • #5
          Yet another example of someone with no real understanding of a disclipline passing judgement on it, erroneously, and thereby showing their own ignorance, methink!

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          • #6
            I think he (or more likely she--PP was far less noxious in the pre-Linda days) must have been severely frightened by someone in a shadbelly and top hat as a young child.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
              I think he (or more likely she--PP was far less noxious in the pre-Linda days) must have been severely frightened by someone in a shadbelly and top hat as a young child.

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              • #8
                A few years back, our local horse paper ran articles about his techniques. I very rarely paid attention as my blood pressure has enough issues of its own, without adding his kind of atrocity to the horse world to it.

                Anyway. He had a picture of him sitting on the ground lunging a horse. Well, that was more than I could stand. His ranch is in Pagosa near my husband's family's, so I went ahead and faxed a fairly nasty letter to his "company" about the fact that in no reality should anybody think sitting on the ground, crossed legged, while lunging a horse was a good idea. Their response was something about the levels of their training .. and my final response was that I would hope that as you move through the levels of understanding that you would really understand that you should not sit on the ground while working a horse.

                Well, low and behold, the next month's picture was two people, sitting on a 50-gallon drum, lunging 2 horses in the same round pen ... my only comment faxed to him was "do you people have a problem with being able to stand on your own two feet?" Needless to say, there was no response.

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                • #9
                  Yeah, I heard that "tight rein no brain" also. I thought I heard it wrong and backed it up. ???What I really LOVE about those shows are the "candidvcouch clips" where the Parellis admire themselves. Quintessential narcissism. But then, you have to love yourself.

                  I made the mistake of sending one of my horses to someone who was a closet Parelli disciple.This is someone I've known for a long time and an excellet rider.

                  I had not had the opportunity to see Mr. Parelli lately until this summer when I saw some of those shows on RFD TV or whatever that station is. Eye opening, isn't it?

                  HOWEVER, after 90 days, my mare loaded in the trailer without leading (a la Parelli)...note that said horse loaded fine to go to trainer. She also did the games in the round pen...jumping barrells and walking over stuff. And yes, I had checked on my horse many times and kept getting the "we're almost there" and "you're going to be so pleased" reponses about how FAR my horse was progressing. And yes, you could sort of ride ehr in the round pen, but not enough miles for what I had expected. Jumping barrells loose in a ring...big hairy deal...I wanted her to be a riding horse.

                  So, when summer passes, she will go to someone else.

                  He is a marketing genius. Gotta hand him that. Insidious.

                  Donna

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                  • #10
                    We are always threatened by what we do not understand.
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                    • #11
                      I hate that people call BASIC HORSEMANSHIP SKILLS "Pat Parelli". No, its the bare bones basics that anyone that works with or around horses needs to know. Pecking orders as well.

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                      • #12
                        Yes, Sansena is right... As a former theatre student I had a professor who insisted that his students walk out of any performance that they felt was below-par, in the interest of preserving artistic standards. The same should apply with clinicians, whatever their ilk.

                        However, it's important to remember that most Parelli people don't have a lot of (or any) experience of dressage or other English disciplines. It can help to take an attitude of education toward them, rather than antagonism. What I mean by this is that we should forgive them their skepticism and try to educate them about what a positive rein contact is.

                        I had the opportunity to do this with a certified Parelli trainer last month. She asked me if I ride with a short rein and I explained to her that in (proper) dressage, we think about the hind end first, and the back, and that contact should be light and following but consistent. She seemed to "get it", and her explanation to me made sense also: she said that most people in her area who practice NH have backyard horses that they only ride a couple of times a week if that. It's not fair to ask them to use themselves in a way that they are physically unfit for - or that the rider is unskilled for - so no "everyday" rider should be asking for too much "collection" (her words not mine). Okay, it's not an ironclad reasoning but maybe it does a wee bit to lessen the chasm between the two schools of thought. Repeat, maybe.

                        Agreed though, very unprofessional (but not surprising) behaviour from PP.
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                        • #13
                          He needs to take his carrot stick and shove it up his arse. While playing the Seven Games. Marketing genius or not, this man is slicker than owl poop.
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                          • #14
                            Short rein also equals spooky, according to that program. Apparently your horse will spook if you have a short (read: contact) rein because he can't think. Of course, it seems to me that the point of all the natural horsemanship is partly to get the horse to let us think for him. Trusting that we will keep him safe and all that. Go figure.

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                            • #15
                              I've heard the same sort of thing from hunter trainers. I.e., "Dressage riders give horses 'hard mouths."

                              It's just ignorance. And jealousy, I might add. A horse that is balanced and muscled through systematic dressage training becomes more physically beautiful and his gaits improve. Anyone whose horses don't look or go like that, needs to paint dressage riders as bad in order to keep their clients. Oh, and to explain why they can't ride a horse like that....
                              "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                              • #16
                                the 'peas' as my friend calls them are only threatened by things that might lure students away from them.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                  the 'peas' as my friend calls them are only threatened by things that might lure students away from them.
                                  Ka-ching. Right on the money with that comment!
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                                  • #18
                                    First off: Flame suit on. Caveat: While at one point in my life I was a pretty decent rider (at least, several international-level trainers thought so), I do NOT claim to know much of anything about Natural Horsemanship, nor do I claim much knowledge about Littauer's methods. Had an instructor who bastardized them and really turned me off to him; then learned some basics from one of his REAL proteges.
                                    All that said.....

                                    I think that the response about most NH followers makes a LOT of sense and makes the logic behind the method sensible. As any experienced competitive rider knows, it takes a great deal of practice, toning and training to ride a horse into balance and collection - as well as toning and training for the horse to be able to balance itself. We've all seen way too many wannabes who looked at the pictures and attempt to copy them - by hauling on their horses' mouths and flailing around on top of them, making balance IMPOSSIBLE even for a well-muscled horse.

                                    It sort of sounds to me a little like what I understood Littauer's theory to be (at the MOST BASIC LEVEL) - that not everyone had the time to spend building a totally secure seat, but wanted to be safe and have fun hunting or otherwise galloping cross country - so the forward seat was created.

                                    Just because "we" want to dedicate every waking hour to improving our riding doesn't mean that everyone who loves horses does (or is able to). So doesn't it make sense to try to create a safe, sane animal and a non-injurious rider? These aren't folks who are headed for the Olympics, after all - just a weekend trail ride with their friends.
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                                    • #19
                                      Well, I can see what he means: I see 90% too tight reins and too much contact in dressage.

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                                      • #20
                                        well then you fell for it honey, so it must be an effective ad campaign!

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