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  • German Horse Center Question

    I don't normally post on the dressage forum, but I figured you would be able to help. I googled a professional who is a Pferdewirtschaftsmeister and the German Horse Center came up.

    Does the German Horse Center do the certification process or is the certitication done through another organization?
    Platinum Equestrian - Florida, USA

  • #2
    www.pferd-aktuell.de
    is the website for the FN, ( German National Equestrian Federation) which licences all trainers in Germany, AFAIK. The "German Horse Center" appears to be a horse selling cooperative to market german horses to english speaking buyers. Real Europeans feel free to correct me.
    "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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      #3
      Pferdewirtschaftsmeister Question

      OK, that's what I thought... but couldn't cofirm, since there isn't an english version of their site.

      So now I'm wondering what the difference is between a
      Pferdewirtschaftsmeister
      and the Bereiter F.N. and Reithleher F.N.?

      Does anyone have any info they can share?
      Platinum Equestrian - Florida, USA

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      • #4
        Wirtschaft means economy, so it sounds to me like Pferdewirtschaft refers to the business side of equestrian sports. The other titles are strictly riding certifications.
        2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

        A helmet saved my life.

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        • #5
          In Germany we have a so called dual system for almost any profession.This means you do a practical apprenticeship for 3 years combined with 1 day at a school with subjects connected to the profession. You have one interim test written and preactical and a final test. This has a long tradition in Germany and accounts for a lot of professions from things like painter, carpenter, electricians, welders, farmers. There are only a few people in germany that did not study that did ot go through one of these in german called "Lehre". This system secures quality in a lot of jobs as you can not name yourself electrician without this 3 year apprenticeship. also in a lot of proessions your are not allowed to have your own business unless you are a Meister.
          Than when you worked for a few years, you can qualifiy yourself in a school for that profession also ending with written, verbal and practical exam. This takes often two years. Than you are a Meister in your profession and can yourself hire apprentrices for their "Lehre".

          Explaining this Bereiter is someone who did the 3 year apprenticeship of so called "Pferdewirt Reiten".
          A Reitlehrer FN is a certain certificate for riding instructor. There are quite a few of these instructor certificates. reitlehrer is the highest qualification if I am not mistaken.
          A Pferdewirtschaftsmeister is someone who did either "learned" Bereiter or Pferdewirt Zucht und Haltung (later is a huuuuge name fore something you may name groom, but with a certain education) and did now the additional qualification to be a Meister.

          Wirtschaft in this combination has nothing do to with economy. The verb wirtschaften for the noun Wirtschaft means also something else maybe described in english (no direct translation exists): To manage, to keep house or to administer. E.g. agriculture is called in German Landwirtschaft or forestry is Forstwirtschaft.
          I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
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          2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
          May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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          • #6
            German Horse Center is a company that apparently copied almost everything: concept of businees, even name similarity and layout of abreciation of the name of the successful business of a friend of mine:
            Www.germanhorseconnection.com
            Unfortunately this kind of thing is difficult to prove and even more difficult to do something about...
            I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
            www.hannoveranerzuechter.de
            2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
            May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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            • #7
              Vielen dank for the German lesson. My sister lives in Hannover, the horse capitol of the world. Wish I were there!
              2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

              A helmet saved my life.

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              • #8
                Pferdewirtschaftsmeister can train person to become a Bereiter. Bereiter (and Pferdewirtschaftsmeister) can train horses. I believe a Reitlehrer is someone trained to be a lesson instructor.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                  Vielen dank for the German lesson. My sister lives in Hannover, the horse capitol of the world. Wish I were there!
                  Me too - I live in the North of Hannover. Does your sister ride ?
                  I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
                  www.hannoveranerzuechter.de
                  2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
                  May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by alexandra View Post
                    Me too - I live in the North of Hannover. Does your sister ride ?
                    No she doesn't. I have ridden with Johannes Lieberg when he was in Garbsen on previous trips, and I always make a pilgrimmage to the tack store that used to be Steigbügel, and to Adelheidsdorf to see the stallions.

                    Next time I'll have to come see your farm!
                    2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

                    A helmet saved my life.

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                    • #11
                      I live 1 mile from Steigbügel/Engelke (they have moved last year or the year before).
                      I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
                      www.hannoveranerzuechter.de
                      2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
                      May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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                      • #12
                        Bereiter, by international treaty between Canada and Germany, is about equivalent to an EC level 1 riding coach- I have audited the Bereiter practical exams at Warendorf and I have qualified as an EC level 1 coach and the ridden requirements are very similar- basic level dressage and a 3'6" course of jumps, teach a group lesson, teach an individual lesson, teach a longe lesson, etc.

                        Reitlehrer, as explained, is a higher qualification, about equal to a level 3 EC dressage coach. In Canada there are fewer level 3 coaches and most of them are accomplished FEI riders as well.

                        I believe the equivalent to Pferdewirtschaftsmeister does not exist in the Canadian system, but the term, as translated by my former coach could be Master of the Horse or StableMaster. He has helped teach the courses in Germany and says someone completing this course would be expected to manage all aspects of an equestrian business, both practical and administrative.
                        "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
                          ... He has helped teach the courses in Germany and says someone completing this course would be expected to manage all aspects of an equestrian business, both practical and administrative.
                          Yes that is a good description for Pferdewirtschaftsmeister.

                          There is Pferdewirtschaftsmeister Zucht und Haltung and Pferdewirtschaftsmeister Reiten.

                          For the first the focus is more on breeding and barn management and the later on riding.
                          I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
                          www.hannoveranerzuechter.de
                          2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
                          May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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                          • #14
                            Really, the German system is just so much more organized and advanced than anything on this side of the pond...
                            "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                            • #15
                              This dual system is for all kind of professions and this results in quite a good quality of e.g. work that has to do with crafts as said like electricians, painters, plumbers and so on.
                              I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
                              www.hannoveranerzuechter.de
                              2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
                              May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto

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                              • #16
                                Well I have a husband who would beg to disagree *lol*. Agree our 'organized' system has worked great in the past but I find it much too inflexible for nowadays' realities...
                                Froh zu sein bedarf es wenig...
                                http://www.germanhorseconnection.com
                                https://www.facebook.com/pages/Germa...m/237648984580

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                                • #17
                                  that's interesting Kareen. Why do you think so?
                                  "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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