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  • Horses For Life Article Rips FEI , Kittel, etc.

    And I mean ripps !

    http://horsesforlife.com/Volume47EnoughIsEnough

  • #2
    Is it ripping when its true?

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    • #3
      Especially when there is not only mounting evidence against the practice, but when two eyes (heck, even one squinty eye would do), a little biomechanical knowledge and sheer common sense can tell you there is something seriously wrong with the practice of Rollkur.
      You go, girl!

      NJR
      Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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      • #4
        like there's nothing wrong with WP, the horses just consistently look dead inside.

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        • #5
          I am sure she has equally choice things to say about WP. And, in Western like in every other disciplines there is good and bad riding, and one hopes they also have riders who care enough to speak up agaisnt abhorrent training practices.

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          • #6
            Thanks for keeping this in the public eye. I hope this is never left to fade away.
            "We don't ride the clock. We ride the horse." Reiner Klimke.
            http://community.webshots.com/user/arnikaelf

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            • #7
              And Paul Belasik tells us why in his latest book, A Search For Collection:

              “The reason why you can’t pull a horse’s head down to his knees and hold it there is not only because the current science approves or disapproves. The reason why you can’t pull a horse’s head down to his knees and hold it there day after day, hour after hour, is the same reason why you can’t pull a man’s head down to his knees and hold it there. The reason is that it is demeaning to the dignity of the horse or man. It is an ethical, philosophical problem, as well as a scientific one. Even in the handling of prisoners of war there are conventions of dignity. When you act this way toward a horse with this unprovoked, irrational and unrelenting constant aggression, you demean everything: the horse, nature, yourself, the art and the observer.
              AMEN!
              I have horse to sell to you. Horse good for riding. Can pull cart. Horse good size. Eats carrots and apples. Likes attention. Move head to music. No like opera! You like you buy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JackSprats Mom View Post
                AMEN!
                I ride with Paul and have taken several of his courses. The respect he and his team show for the horses is remarkable. I have seen him starting youngsters and working the piaffe amd levade. All of this is done without force, bullying or humiliation of the spirit. But why is this the exception rather than the rule?
                Oh yes.... I know. Because it takes hard work and a long term commitment to condition and train our horses to work at this level. Why on earth would we take the time when we can just crank the head in??? There's money to be made and ribbons to be won! Chop, chop!!!

                Count me firmly in the anti-rollkur camp.

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                • #9
                  I agree with the message, but I wish the article hadn't used such inflammatory, sensationalist language. It takes away from the point of the whole thing, IMO.

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                  • #10
                    To me, it read like someone who'd just had enough.

                    They'd had enough of being politically correct, were exhausted by trying to go through all the correct avenues, and were just tired of trying to play the game.

                    Someone who was just going to lay it out there and let the chips fall where they may.

                    Defintely something this sport needs more of, with all of our very "particular" language which seems to be couched in terms so that it can never come back to bite the speaker in the butt, should popular opinion, popular (read: money making) riders, or sponsor's opinions, change.

                    I thougt it was refreshing.

                    NJR
                    Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                    • #11
                      I thought it was melodramatic. I understand some thought that the tongue was blue, but slate? Really? Does the writer know what color slate is? Because it's certainly a far cry from what the tongue looked like.

                      I'm just tired of sensationalist back and forth. It would have been a lot more convincing if there had been some scientific evidence to back it up, and read less like when your mother overreacts and gets all wound up trying to scold you for something stupid. You know, like you didn't do the dishes so you're obviously lazy and will never amount to anything. That's the kind of jumping-to-conclusions dramatic attitude the article had.

                      And I'm sorry, I love Paul Belasik, but the "It demeans the horse" is almost embarrassing. That's all the evidence this side of the argument has? "Look" and it hurts Pootsie's feelings? It sounds completely uneducated, and makes it look like the argument lacks base. Each side says "look!" to support their stance, and it's getting kind of silly. Do I agree with this form of riding? No. But do I think that this article was a good representation of why it's so bad? Absolutely not. It was just more propaganda, and read like the anti-smoking rants. Totally illogical, and just full of loaded, biased, disappointing language.

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                      • #12
                        Has anyone bothered to read the author's bio.

                        Has anyone ever checked out any of the author's of articles in the Horses for Life mag?

                        Should I assume the owner and staff of Horse for Life approve of all articles they publish? I've seen some real doozies, but only because they were sent to me by a friend. It's not a magazine that would interest most dressage competitors.

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                        • #13
                          I have read her bio, available here: http://www.cordequestrian.net/about-us.htm

                          She is a rider and instructor who has been riding and jumping since childhood, came from europe and now lives in TX where she clinics with WAZ and Eddo Hoeskra (spel?). She is interrested in rider and horse alignment - I was interrested in learning her vet invented the FLOW method of osteopathy - it is a great technique. She has shown to 4th level, is also interrested in NH and her horses appear decontracted and content.

                          I think she is a well rounded horsewoman and I am interrested in her pov. As to Horses for Life not being for most dressage competitors, that is truly a pity. HFL has many, many informative articles about dressage theory, biomechanics, horse health from people who are well respected for having trained horses to GP and beyond. You dont have to appreciate every contributor but you should recognize that there are some real experts sharing their knowledge.

                          As a horse lover, I enjoy reading everything about horses, I even read books by trainers whose philosophy I disagree with because I want to educate myself. In America, outside of HFL, there are very few resources that provide such diversity and wealth of article. Certainly Dressage Today and COTH pale in comparison. What does that leave? USDF magazine? We are not getting even 1/4 of the quality and range of content available in Europe. At least HFL is trying to remedy that.

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                          • #14
                            When I want to read poorly organized opinion pieces that only vaguely mention facts, tell only part of the story (and only that part that supports their own side), and are based entirely on emotional appeal, I'll read a blog.

                            That is not an article.

                            I'm not a rollkur fan, but seriously -- an approach like that is not going to appeal to anyone but the already converted who want to hear what they are already saying, only louder.
                            Halt Near X | Horse Bloggers - Blog Directory

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                            • #15
                              Karoline,

                              Check out TOPLINE INK. Great magazine and more geared to classical rather than competitive...... well worth the price and a real keeper!!!

                              I do enjoy HFL as there are some very good contributors and worth while articles!!

                              As far as RK, one does not need to be a scientist to see the agony in the horse's eyes..... Not to mention the sheer cruelty and in humane treatment of the horse. If we do not clean up our own backyard, the HSUS and PETA will! But of course, it is all about the win... fast results and the heck with anything else. Sick, IMO. Look at what is winning in the top levels and then go back and read what was considered "correct"... leg movers and flashy gaits, wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
                              We do not have an overpopulation of dogs, we have an under population of responsible dog owners!!!

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Arizona DQ View Post
                                Karoline,

                                Check out TOPLINE INK. Great magazine and more geared to classical rather than competitive...... well worth the price and a real keeper!!!

                                I do enjoy HFL as there are some very good contributors and worth while articles!!

                                As far as RK, one does not need to be a scientist to see the agony in the horse's eyes..... Not to mention the sheer cruelty and in humane treatment of the horse. If we do not clean up our own backyard, the HSUS and PETA will! But of course, it is all about the win... fast results and the heck with anything else. Sick, IMO. Look at what is winning in the top levels and then go back and read what was considered "correct"... leg movers and flashy gaits, wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
                                Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                                • #17
                                  Thank you Arizona, I susbcribe to ToplineInk and I think the publisher does a very good job with it.

                                  Most magazines have editorial column, why not HFL. As to the writing, I can appreciate the passion expressed.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Coppers mom View Post
                                    It would have been a lot more convincing if there had been some scientific evidence to back it up, .
                                    what is with this "science backing it up" stuff lately?

                                    have we *ever* needed science before? did they need science to ban abusive whipping? or soring? of caning? or the myriad of other nasty/stupid things people do to horses?

                                    and how exactly do you want science to prove one way or another about rollkur?

                                    sometimes all you need are eyes..... and a heart.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by mbm View Post
                                      what is with this "science backing it up" stuff lately?

                                      sometimes all you need are eyes..... and a heart.
                                      See, this is exactly the emotional response that makes most that are fine with Rollkur roll their eyes and call BS. It really takes away from the message. I feel that every time someone has this sort of overly melodramatic response, it takes away from the credibility of the message.

                                      The problem is that some are more of the bleeding heart types than others, and everyone reacts differently to things. Science provides a clear, level baseline for which to judge things by. Which, IMO, is a much better than saying "just listen to your heart and look deep into his eyes" or something equally cheesy.

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                                      • #20
                                        i am not anti science- far from it..... but i am not sure how, given how difficult it is even for science to agree on how horses collect (topline or bottom line) or how they see or any other myriads of things that science cant prove at this point in time... how exactly is science going to prove one way or another about rollkur?


                                        plus, there is a lot of info out there already that over bending the neck is not good for the horse, that rushing training is not good, etc etc. but it gets poopoo'd....

                                        there are many many educated and well respected people that speak out but are poo poo'd... so i am not sure what would be good enough evidence?


                                        btw: it seems that any argument from the anti's gets the pro rolling their eyes...

                                        i will agree tho that over the top emotional diatribes dont help - i just dont think science is going to be very helpful. and i am not sure what it is people want from science.... do you?

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