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  • 2011 New Tests

    SO...

    Did anyone hear about the new changes for the dressage tests to take effect in 2011?

    I heard that there will be only 3 tests for each level starting at training level. That the stretchy trot circle will start in training 1. First level will have the option of posting all the trot work. And that 4th level will be slightly easier.

    Anyone heard of any other changes?

    How does everyone think that these changes will affect dressage in the US?

  • #2
    Would be nice if 4th level test 3 was NOT harder than PSG I know the option of posting at 1st level has been a big discussion item, imho a good idea.

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    • #3
      I haven't heard anything. If what you've heard is true, I am disappointed to hear that posting will be allowed at First Level. I am pleased to hear about only 3 tests per level. Actually, I would be pleased with 1 test per level. I'm in favor of making 4th a little easier or PSG a little harder; whatever it takes to make a notable difference between the two levels.

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      • #4
        I too am quite disappointed that posting will be allowed at First level. I like the idea of 3 tests per level and I'd even be pleased with 2 tests per level. I'm all for making more of a difference between Fourth and PSG-- whether it be achieved by making Fourth easier or PSG harder is doesn't matter.
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        • #5
          well it is a long way off. I suspect anything worth worrying or nattering over will just as likely change before too long.

          I will discuss when it actually shows up.
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          • #6
            Most of the changes mentioned in the OP are correct (I didn't write down the part about the stretchy circle).

            Training level tests will be 5 minutes, all others will be 6 minutes, so shorter than they are now.

            In fourth level, test 1 will have single flying changes only. Test 2 will have three changes across the diagonal, but no specified count. Just one change near quarterline, one near X and one near the other quarterline. Then test 3 has just three 4-tempis (no 3-tempis). Fourth level will also have schooling/working pirouettes only, not full-on half-pirouettes.

            In the High Performance division, they are adding a "Green Grand Prix" for specified ages to follow up the Developing Horse PSG.

            The new tests will take effect December 1, 2010.

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            • #7
              I know you're all going to tell me why

              it makes a blind bit of difference or is "disapointing" to have posting allowed at First Level. Just a humble observation of some folks at First level, but posting would be far far better than what some of them are doing.

              And really, what difference DOES it make????

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              • #8
                LOL I'm sure the theory is that you shouldn't be moving up to first lvl if you can't sit the trot.

                However I quite like this idea for a couple of reason, one being that there are some days when, if my horse is tenser then normal, it would be nice to have the option. Most days we work in sitting trot, but like I said, it would be nice to have the option to show him at his best the day of the show and that may mean rising is better for him.

                Secondly, TL and First are soooo close together and similar there really is no reason to hold folks back because of this. There are no movements in First that can't be achieved well posting. It just means now Second will be the cut of point rather then First.
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                • #9
                  I'm really, really tired of the dumbing down of dressage. If you can't sit the trot you shouldn't go past training level! Sorry, but I just don't see the benefit! Yes, there isn't a huge difference between training and first level, besides the sitting trot, but there is a big step from first to second in degree of collection. Each level is supposed to prepare you for the next. If they allow people to flop around in first level and post the trot this would create a huge and disproportunate gap between first and second. So, then what's next? Posting at second level? Who comes up with this cr@p?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dressage.For.Life. View Post
                    I'm all for making more of a difference between Fourth and PSG-- whether it be achieved by making Fourth easier or PSG harder is doesn't matter.
                    The US test-writers have no control over the FEI (PSG) tests so could only address 4th level to change this...

                    Will have some carry-over into slight changes in requirements for the USDF freestyle tests was the report at the USDF FS committee meeting last week in Austin.

                    Hoping we see more forward free-moving horses at first level rather than restrained "trying to sit" issues...Hoping the new 4th level is one that I don't have to apologize to my horses for doing...tho must admit this year my smaller guy didn't have too much trouble with it but my 18+ guy begged to head straight to PSG.
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                    • #11
                      Everyone seems to be forgetting the potential benefits of posting for the horse! That is, after all, the primary reason for doing it, and can be very helpful for some young horses at First level. From a comparative perspective, I do see a large number of horses/riders at Novice and Elementary level here in the UK (roughly First and Second level equivalents, and posting is allowed throughout) that aren't really skilled enough for those levels - and yes, this is probably because riders with a nice show horse can go in and comfortably and easily do a novice/first level test because they don't need as refined a seat. However, it doesn't prevent me from spotting the combinations with truly correct dressage basics in place, and I think any judge worth their salt would concur. If it makes dressage more accessible to those from other disciplines then what's the harm? I'm sure some of you will disagree with me, but I personally feel that training/first level are simply basic tests of correct horsemanship, and don't need to be accompanied by any airs of mystique or inaccessibility - save that for Second level and above, where the more specialised work begins. There IS a need for better tests of equitation in dressage in both countries as far as I can see, but I don't think that burdening first level horses with riders hanging on their faces and doing the piegon dance is the answer. JMHO and I'm sure many will disagree.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
                        it makes a blind bit of difference or is "disapointing" to have posting allowed at First Level. Just a humble observation of some folks at First level, but posting would be far far better than what some of them are doing. ...
                        Gotta agree with this. Was at Clarcona (recognized show) and saw one rider who couldn't sit the trot - she was slumping shoulders forward throwing horse on it's forehand. Horse started trotting like a western QH - short choppy - guess the poor horse was trying to save it's back.

                        Maybe just First Level Test 1 should allow posting?

                        Sometimes it's hard to sit becuase the horse isn't really "through" so it's like sitting on a trampolene - ask me how I know...
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                        • #13
                          I'm interested that people are happy there will be fewer tests. Why? What is the downside to having more tests (from the rider's point of view)? I can see a disadvantage for show management, if they feel compelled to offer all tests (although they aren't mandated to) and paying for more ribbons for smaller classes. But as a rider, I think variety is useful for varying the routine and occasionally there are subtle differences in the test that make one more appropriate for a horse's current strengths than another.

                          Someone told me that in Germany they have many more tests per level (partly because their levels tend to encompass 2 of our levels) but also that they use different tests in the early part of the year and others in the late part of the year. Does anyone know if this is true? I sort of like the idea so that horses don't get so accustomed to routine and possibly to have slightly more difficult tests at the end of the year.

                          My biggest wish is that they vary the patterns more when you look at the overall scheme of the national levels. How about a lengthened/medium trot on the long side in some level other than PSG??? They work so nicely to keep the horse thinking forward rather than "uh-oh here comes another difficult shoulder in or haunches in, let's slow down..." How about a lengthened/medium canter on a circle somewhere besides in the FEI young horse test? It has its value as well.

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                          • #14
                            I love the idea of posting at 1st level!
                            Also love those strechy circles!

                            I do however think that maybe an movement that requires you to sit should be asked somewhere at 1st level.

                            Just so it is not forgotton for those that need to learn the proper way to sit.

                            Just my thoughts! Very Excited to have new test to look forward to!!!

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                            • #15
                              I've never understood the point of sitting trot @ 1st level. I don't sit until the horse is carrying me - which doesn't happen with any consistency until 2nd level anyway. This isn't a test of whether or not you CAN sit - it's whether or not THE HORSE IS READY FOR YOU TO SIT. I hope this change goes through!
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                              • #16
                                I agree with 2ndyrgal on the 'Just a humble observation of some folks at First level, but posting would be far far better than what some of them are doing' comment. Retrofit sums up exactly why posting the trot will most likely benefit the horse.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by sdlbredfan View Post
                                  I agree with 2ndyrgal on the 'Just a humble observation of some folks at First level, but posting would be far far better than what some of them are doing' comment. Retrofit sums up exactly why posting the trot will most likely benefit the horse.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by retrofit View Post
                                    I've never understood the point of sitting trot @ 1st level. I don't sit until the horse is carrying me - which doesn't happen with any consistency until 2nd level anyway. This isn't a test of whether or not you CAN sit - it's whether or not THE HORSE IS READY FOR YOU TO SIT. I hope this change goes through!
                                    I beg to differ. How many horses showing at First Level are really young horses? I think the majority of them are novice riders that struggle to sit the trot and are riding on horses that aren't truly ready for the level either.

                                    If this change is being done for the benefit of the horse, then why wouldn't it be allowed in the FEI 5 & 6 year old classes?

                                    Is there really that much difference between sitting the trot and sitting the canter, which is required at TL?

                                    I definitely think it is dumbing down dressage and it keeps getting worse and worse each time the tests change. It used to be that you had to sit at TL-3 and SI was required at First Level.

                                    Retrofit, you have to know the benefits of sitting the trot.

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                                    • #19
                                      I think I will be disappointed to see fewer tests per level. Instead, if it's a show management issue, I'd encourage show managers not to offer every test per level at every show.

                                      I can only hope that they'll eliminate the tests I dislike and keep the ones I enjoy.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                        Is there really that much difference between sitting the trot and sitting the canter, which is required at TL?
                                        A canter is almost always easier to sit than a trot, but that said, the main difference is that the canter sections in TL are VERY short - not generally much more than a single 20 m circle. The trot goes on for minutes at a time.

                                        Also, though you're expected to sit, come to think of it, it's not actually required by the rules that you sit the canter.
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