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  • Gigi, your done :(

    I am changing this first post because the people who did lease her did see this post.

    Gigi is *really* going to a nice retirement facility. She will be ok for life. She is my horse, I take responsibility for my horses.

    My little difficult girl will get her favorite job, eating grass.
    Last edited by YoungFilly; Apr. 5, 2007, 09:24 PM.

  • #2
    Hon? What did she do? I'm confused....
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    • #3
      Im sorry Young Filly.
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      • #4
        Why did you lease her?
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        • Original Poster

          She bolted, and tossed the girl that thought she could ride her. Thats what she did.


          • #6
            Awwwww, and so she doesn't want to lease her because of one bolt?


            I'm so sorry YF.
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            • #7
              Why did this require retirement?
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              • #8
                Oh YF, I'm so sorry it didn't work out.

                I swear some horses seem like they try their darndest to defeat our best efforts to take care of them. It's a shame the leasee would quit after just one bad incident- Gigi's such a lovely mare.


                • #9
                  It is heart breaking when it seems like a horse never acts in it's own best interests.

                  But you are doing the right thing, YF. She has always been like this to some degree or another, hmmm? Some horses really don't want to do this. Better to acknowledge it and move on. Lucky for her you will retire her.
                  "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


                  • #10
                    If my memory serves from the last videos you posted; wasn't it apparent that this mare had some physical problems (ie, back, lame in the hind)?

                    Did you have her checked out? If not, what would you expect by jumping a horse that had back/hind end physical problems.
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                    • Original Poster

                      Dalfan, I don't think you get how heart sick I am over this.


                      • #12
                        I guess I don't understand why really? She isn't dying is she? You are just deciding retirement is a better fit. I have a retiree and he couldn't be happier and is decidedly MUCH happier than in his showing days. Now my checkbook isn't as happy with the situation but

                        I guess the "ending of an era" can be saddening but one must put things in perspective.

                        Chin up.
                        Grab mane and kick on!



                        • #13
                          I really debated as to whether to post on this or not, but oh well here I go.

                          I do remember the video of this horse and I was confident that she was not right behind. I thought she looked pretty off, not tracking up etc. Could have been hocks, stifles, back. YF had vet out who said just muscle soreness. Did you have the hocks blocked, xrays, nuke scan of back or anything? Because in the later video the horse still does not look right. Also this horse is barefoot. A horse that moves like that needs support of shoes even if the feet are not broken up. Did you really spend the time and money on a good vet to fully explore this or did you just take the diagnosis of muscle soreness and run with it?

                          I have had vets tell me different horses had muscle soreness when they did indeed need hock injections, had a stifle problem and even had a tear in both sides of the sacroliac. Just something to think about. Sometimes it takes a few different vets or one very good one, or a trip to a big equine hospital, or university to get things diagnosed.

                          Also, most horses would much rather be living the retired life at 6 years than having someone ride them who is not a very good rider or have someone ride them when they are not feeling well (melonomas) or are lame or stiff.

                          For every melonoma you can see there are plenty more inside internally affecting the horse. I have lost a horse to this disease so I feel for you.

                          I have personally retired horses at 6 myself. I have placed a sound horse as a broodmare because I thought that was where she would be happiest. I could have easily sold that mare as a hunter, but I took the loss and felt better about it. I have an 8 year old wobbler who I bought as a foal. He became a wobbler at 11/2 and I did surgery on him. Surgery and rehab 8k, and he is an unbroke pasture pet. He is very very content never to be ridden. He will probably live to 35. In my mind when you take on a horse you take them on for life if need be and if you can find a way to afford it. If the horse is truly sound and better suited for someone else, go ahead and sell them. Otherwise, suck it up, you are stuck in my mind. That is just how it is.

                          YF I can tell you love your horses and you are lucky to be able to afford a retirement facility. If you can't find this mare a suitable home, then retire her and let her be as content as possible. If you haven't had her really really looked at xrayed, blocked, scoped, scanned whatever, I would probably do that first. Maybe she just needs some hock injections and an Adequan routine or something.

                          Good luck.


                          • Original Poster

                            She is perfectly sound. I have had vets look at her. Its her personality thats doing her in. She is not an easy ride by any stretch of the imagination. I have done all I can to try to make it work for her. I do love her, and I am extremely frustrated that she is not doing her part of the equation. That was said to the people who leased her just so you all know. I couldn't have been more straight forward.

                            I am not spending anymore money on this horse, other than her retirement, and medical and maintenance expenses. Enough is enough.

                            Edited to add:

                            Please don't start in on me. I don't want a fight. I am just frustrated and trying to do the right thing.
                            Last edited by YoungFilly; Apr. 4, 2007, 09:45 AM.


                            • #15
                              You're upset that she's not doing her part? She's a horse, she can only do what she knows how to do... be a horse. If she's got a history of bolting, then address the training, or don't put riders up that can't handle a bolt.

                              I hope that you continue to take good care of her, and don't feel like you need to punish her with niglect for not being a "good girl".


                              • #16
                                Seems like you're just giving up.
                                So one person (a young girl from the sounds of it) can't ride her - why aren't you trying to lease her out to someone more experienced?

                                And what kind of retirement facility would you be happy sending your horse to that doesn't have individual care or 'tend to boo boos'?
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                                • #17
                                  Apparently a lot of you who are posting are not aware of Gigi's history.

                                  I would suggest you do some searches on her name from last year and the year before if you'd like to know why it's probably more appropriate for Gigi to be retired than do anything else. Her issues are not just physical.

                                  Hang in there, YF.
                                  "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


                                  • #18
                                    You know, horses don't USUALLY bolt unless they are scared or in pain. I guess there are exceptions, but your mare doesn't seem to fit into the "exception" category.

                                    So since your last video of the mare, where it was clear there were physical issues, you have had her checked out?

                                    What you are saying it is a behaviorial issue. Have you looked into sending her for RE-training with someone who is patient, kind and sensitive? Not someone who will just manhandle her into submission?

                                    Sounds like you just want validation that you have done everything possible for her. I'm not sure, myself, based on your past posts.

                                    Looking at the vid you posted, and seeing how stiff/off/short-strided she was on the flat, sending her to a H/J environment without making sure she could do the job physically, was just setting her up for failure, IMHO.

                                    But, she is your horse and you will do what you will with her.

                                    I just hope you are not going to just throw her out in a field and hope for the best. I would think visits to make sure she is getting the proper care and feeding would be in order and the responsible thing to do.
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                                    • Original Poster

                                      Thanks EQTrainer. I shouldn't even discuss this stuff on the internet. She is not a horrible horse, quite the contrary.

                                      Look, I posted this thread last night when I was very tired, and sad. The whole thing with Gigi has been rough.

                                      Someday, if I get my own farm Gigi can come live with me. Until then, she gets to be a happy horse in a field. There are a ton of worse scenario's that could happen.


                                      • #20
                                        I am sure YF is going to make sure Gigi is well-cared for. And I think sometimes there comes a point with a difficult horse that you no longer have the energy to deal with the issues. Especially since YF has a much less complicated schoolmaster to ride now. As long as the horse is taken care of, I don't think it really matters that the horse is going to be retired.

                                        Just makes me glad I sent my difficult horse to someone who specializes in starting horses and re-training problem horses when she was just being started under saddle. Otherwise, I think she could have very well ended up being retired at a young age also. By sending her to someone who is extremely competent in dealing with issues, she never learned any bad habits under saddle and at 7 is a joy to ride and train. Much easier to deal with problems (or prevent them from becoming problems under saddle!) from the get-go than try to solve them at age 6 or 7.

                                        Good luck YF but do realize that Gigi is NOT doing anything other than being the horse that she is. It is not her fault this situation did not work out!