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  • Email from Equine Canada - anyone else scratching their heads...?

    It seems to announce changes that aren't really changes, and then blast anyone who doesn't want to play in their system??? Or have I completely missed something and just happen to be in a province without changes??

    Dear colleagues,

    I hope this note finds you well, and enjoying the approach of autumn. This edition of the Equine Canada e-news is intended to let you know about our national reform and modernisation agenda, why it will lower total costs and improve service to you, and how it will enforce higher standards of accountability in the governance of Canada's equine sector.

    This is perhaps the most significant moment in our evolution as Canada's national governing body for equestrianism and horsemanship, and represents a long-awaited leap forward in our determination to forge a Canadian equine system worthy of our country's name.

    What will change in 2010?

    The heart of the national reform agenda is a new alliance between Equine Canada (EC) as the national equestrian federation, and each of the ten provincial equestrian associations. In a country of our scale and diversity, the nature of this partnership will naturally vary from province to province.

    · Any provincial association that wishes to act as the agent for Equine Canada's national services - e.g., the sale of EC national credentials, such as EC Sport Licences, EC Horse Passports and Licences; the management of the EC national competition system; the administration of the EC coaching and learn-to-ride programs; the oversight of the EC Equine Medication (anti-doping) procedures - will only be permitted to do so if it signs a service agreement, open to the full glare of public and member scrutiny. The service agreement will require both Equine Canada and the provincial association to meet national standards of service, of financial transparency, and of accountability to Canadians. More importantly still, it will represent a binding covenant with Canadians to uphold the integrity of the national equine system.

    · For 2010, the provincial associations for British Columbia, Manitoba, Ontario, and New Brunswick - which together represent the majority of our nation-wide membership - have chosen to join Equine Canada in a new Canadian membership model. A resident of one of these provinces will continue to receive membership in Equine Canada by joining his or her provincial association for a single fee, and will now enjoy mutually guaranteed levels of service and all the benefits of both organisations.

    · For 2010, the remaining provincial associations have chosen to remain outside of the new Canadian membership model. Residents of those provinces who wish to join Equine Canada can do so by joining our national association directly; at $25 per person, and coming with Canada's best rider liability insurance, this will be the most economical equestrian membership in the country. These provincial associations will not be permitted to compel Equine Canada's members to purchase a separate membership in their associations or to extract unnecessary levies from them, as is currently the case.

    · In provinces that are part of the new Canadian membership model and that sign a service agreement, the provincial association will administer many of Equine Canada's national services on our behalf. In the remaining provinces, Equine Canada will administer our services directly. In all cases, Equine Canada will guarantee that our members will receive services on time, on budget, and meeting national standards.

    Why is this controversial?

    Sadly, but perhaps predictably, there has been a great deal of misinformation spread abroad by opponents of reform. Dramatic change can be unsettling, and some of our fellow organisations have found the requirements for higher standards and public accountability difficult to accept. Reform means that all organisations involved in Canada's equine sector - local, provincial, regional, and national - must put aside narrow self-interest to serve the greater good of our country, and to remember that we exist to serve our members, and not the other way around.

    · Currently, provincial associations that administer Equine Canada's services on our behalf do so without signing a service agreement, and have therefore been able to act without meeting national standards or reporting to the Canadian membership. There are hundreds of thousands of dollars of our members' fees unaccounted for in the provincially-administered Equine Medication program alone, and the reform process will require an immediate accounting to Canadians.

    · Canadians who wish to join our country's national equestrian federation are currently barred from joining Equine Canada's national association directly, and are instead forced to subscribe to a provincial association or other third-party, paying those associations fees that can escalate without limit. No part of those forced membership fees support the national system. Equine Canada is forced to give away its membership, and the provincial associations are able to keep our members captive, not permitting Equine Canada to know even the identity of our own members. The new Canadian membership will change this, and create a direct relationship of accountability between Canadians and the Canadian federation.

    What happens now?

    The reform process has been nearly a decade of national-provincial negotiations in the making, but we are at long last moving from the realm of words to that of deeds.

    · Equine Canada will shortly send out our renewal forms for 2010 EC Sport Licences and 2010 EC Horse Passports and Licences. Residents of BC, MB, ON, and NB will receive renewal forms that are little changed from previous years. These Equine Canada members will continue to obtain their national membership through their provincial associations. For the second year running, Equine Canada has held the line on the costs of EC credentials, and there will again be no increases in these fees.

    · Equine Canada licence holders living in AB, SK, QC, NS, PE, and NL will receive forms that will enable them to join Equine Canada's national association directly as part of the 2010 licence renewal process, without being compelled to pay an additional provincial subscription - a new and substantial economy for those members. In addition, Canadians living in these provinces who do not wish to hold EC licences but do wish to acquire rider liability insurance will, for the first time, have a choice of providers: Equine Canada's new insurance package or the provincial association's existing package.

    · Equine Canada licensed officials have been receiving direct correspondence on the landscape of the competition system for 2010 and beyond. In the face of the disinformation our officials have been receiving from some associations, it is important for us to reassure them that as the national federation, Equine Canada is the sole body responsible for accrediting all EC officials, and Equine Canada is therefore the sole authoritative source of information on rules and procedures for the officials programs. Our officials will have an undiminished ability to officiate at EC sanctioned events in every province. EC officials should be cautious about advice from non-EC associations on their professional responsibilities and obligations, as only EC sets and enforces their rules and code of conduct.

    · EC sanctioned equestrian competitions will shortly receive information on 2010 accreditation, and the significant new benefits available to them from next year onwards. Regrettably, some associations opposed to reform have expressed an intention to undermine the national Canadian equestrian competition architecture, by persuading competition organisers to leave the national accreditation system. We have faith in the judgement of competition organisers to recognise that the best interests of their competitors and their competitions lies in standing together as part of a pan-Canadian system.

    The future of the Canadian equestrianism

    This is both a tremendously exciting and a difficult juncture in the affairs of Canadian equestrianism.

    Equine Canada has always drawn its identity from the very genius of our country. Canada is a great nation because, in all our diversity and fractious differences, Canadians from coast to coast to coast can achieve infinitely more when we stand together, than we ever could if we stood apart. Similarly, the cause of Canadian equestrianism is best served when all parts of the national equine movement find the courage and resolve to forge ahead as one, rather than dissipate our strengths by struggling on separately.

    In this context, it has always been Equine Canada's hope that reform, renewal, and modernisation would be possible through a single unanimous and simultaneous collaboration with all the provincial associations and all our other parts. However, we would do our members, our sector, and our country a terrible disservice if we were to allow the ideal to become the enemy of the possible, and through endless delay, permit Canadian equestrianism to stagnate and decay.

    We remain committed to working with each of the provincial associations in our shared mission. Provincial associations who are not part of the new Canadian membership and who do not sign a service agreement will nevertheless remain corporate members of Equine Canada. We hope that ultimately all provinces will join us in the modernisation of the Canadian federation, and we are grateful to those provinces who have already taken this step.

    However, no one should be in any doubt: Equine Canada was created to answer a higher calling and a broader mandate than any of our constituent parts, and as the Canadian federation, we are unashamed and unhesitant in exercising national leadership for our sector. We are committed to taking the difficult decisions necessary to turn our ideals into reality, in the knowledge that if we do not move forward and move on to serve the interests of all Canadian equestrians, there is no one else in Canada who can or will.
    If you have any questions or concerns, I invite you to contact the Equine Canada office or to visit our web site, at www.equinecanada.ca. On behalf of the Canadian equine community, I thank you for your patience during this time of transition, and look forward to serving you through our modernised and reformed federation.

    With best wishes,
    Akaash Maharaj
    CEO, Equine Canada
    Last edited by Ibex; Oct. 22, 2009, 10:33 AM. Reason: cleaning up code
    "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

  • #2
    There has been on ongoing turf war between the Provinces and EC since the evolution of EC from the CEF.

    The big issues are; when someone joins their PSO they automatically become members of EC. However, the Provinces refused to send membership info to EC, (or membership dues),so EC actually did not know who it's members were... And therefore, could not contact (market) to them!

    Some Provinces were not remitting drug fees, at all...

    Some Provinces licensed their own officials.

    Etc, etc, so the NSO wants to standardize and some Provinces say "No way, we don't need you..." "Our members get nothing from you..." "Why should we send you money..." "We can license our own officials, coaches, shows, etc etc"

    Sound familiar, it's the Canadian way, don't you know!

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    • #3
      at least your e-mail came in English. Mine came in French and only French.

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      • #4
        What were they thinking? Quite frankly I find the whole tone of it offensive. I didn't have an opinion on the matter before that e mail but it is making me think that I should.

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        • #5
          Maybe we have to approach the whole Fairness in Sport within Canada thing with them.

          I took a look at the fees for next year and my EC Gold membership for 2010 is going to cost me $ 170.00

          Sports Licence Fee (Gold) $ 100.00
          Equine Canada Membership and liability insurance $ 25.00
          (incl in provincial memberships in BC, ON, MB and NB)
          Amateur Status $ 10.00
          Horse Licence Fee $ 10.00
          Dressage Canada Affiliation $ 25.00

          Wow, add on top of this my AEF Membership, which although EC says isn't tied into showing, the AEF insist does, of $ 35.00

          Plus add on top of that if I re-join the local dressage association another $ 30.00

          I know and realize that having and showing horses is an expensive venture, however, in this economy, how can it be justified to add more and more fees upon people???

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          • #6
            It's totally ridiculous now.
            Paual, I only got the email in French too this time Fortunately I speak it, but still! :P
            In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PaulaM View Post
              at least your e-mail came in English. Mine came in French and only French.
              You might get the English one later. I got the French one first and then the English one a bit later.

              Well, it wouldn't be Canada if there was no constitutional crisis, would it?

              My province signed the agreement so I am not paying both federal and provincial fees....I have to admit...I don't quite get the opposition from the provinces that elected not to sign the agreement. It strikes me that by chosing not to sign you are complicatings things for your competitive members...but perhaps I am missing something.....

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              • #8
                All the pissed off talk is usually to do with $$$$$ !
                ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                • #9
                  I see our Provincial Organizations point, I had a 20 minute conversation with them this morning.

                  What EC wanted from each Province was for EVERY member to pay a fee to EC, even for those who don't compete on a National level, but at the "grassroots" level or are a family member. EC also wanted e-mail addresses of all members which is against Alberta Privacy laws, etc.

                  I did confirm with AEF that for those who are only going to be showing at National level shows (EC sanctioned) that membership isn't required, however, there are a few shows in Alberta that are still going to require AEF membership.

                  There is also talk of establishing a Provincial Level of showing.

                  If you ask me, I personally believe that both the EC and Provincial organizations are putting the members in between rather than effectively communicating with each other.

                  I have worked my butt of to get back in the show ring, I doubt I will ever show at the "Elite" level, but with all the implementation of all these additional fees over the past few years, it is making our sport even more elite than it previously was.

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                  • #10
                    Haven't received the email but not expecting to since i don't think EC has my email but thats beyond the point.

                    So the provinces who did sign up with EC, they pay $25 directly to EC and automatically get all the benefits from the provincial association as well?

                    Then only if your showing at a national level do you have to buy the sport liscense and all that jazz?

                    Definitly sounds like the associations (like AEF) are making it harder for their members.

                    Me thinks a phone call to my friend in AEF office may be in order....

                    P.
                    A Wandering Albertan - NEW Africa travel blog!

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                    • #11
                      I have talked quite a bit with AEF and EC about this and how it helps me as a grassroots equestrian who will never compete. Why am I sending EC money?
                      AEF gives me insurance not EC. Why should AEF send EC $130,000 what comes back to Alberta. Nothing for the 10000 recreational members.

                      Try calling EC I spent 4 hrs trying to get through. Twice I was sent to nonexistent numbers 3 times to people who were away that day.

                      AEF and the 5 other provinces who are leaving EC are designing show circuits and rules so people can play without feeding Ottawa.

                      On other little thing. I looked up the EC CEO's bio last night. Almost no horse experience. He rode for the army for 3 years. But he is a high ranking Liberal politician.
                      Maybe that is how he got the job.

                      The 6 provinces who have left are making things better for their members has a whole not for the few at high levels who already have the resources.
                      Richard Holyoak
                      Diamond H Carriages
                      http://www.diamondhcarriages.com

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                        #12
                        What kills me is that we USED to have a provincial circuit... that became the EC Bronze/Silver levels
                        "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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                        • #13
                          The reform process has been nearly a decade of national-provincial negotiations in the making, but we are at long last moving from the realm of words to that of deeds.
                          I'll believe that when I see it. HOW long have we been being told that new passports are imminent? And how many thousands of dollars do you suppose the org. has lost out on during the last what? 5 years? through popele NOT getting passports because they were going to change ANY MINUTE NOW? And that's just one example.

                          More importantly still, it will represent a binding covenant with Canadians to uphold the integrity of the national equine system.
                          Whatever THAT is...

                          These provincial associations will not be permitted to compel Equine Canada's members to purchase a separate membership in their associations or to extract unnecessary levies from them, as is currently the case.
                          SO, EC can extract them instead? Unnecessary levies? Sort of like the EC Drug Testing Fee for Bronze who have no drug testing language in their level? Or maybe the Rider's Levy? Or, how about the fact that both owner AND rider have to have all memberships, even if the owner never has any intention of putting a hand on the horse? THOSE unnecessary fees? I was an Exec for years of our local club and never saw another club tell anyone they HAD to have a local membership before they could get an EC membership? Maybe I'm misunderstanding...

                          In all cases, Equine Canada will guarantee that our members will receive services on time, on budget, and meeting national standards.
                          And these standards are where, exactly? And guaranteed? Do we get our membership money back, if I have to wait over 30 minutes on hold, or what?

                          ...and to remember that we exist to serve our members, and not the other way around.
                          WHoa! To remember? You mean they knew that BEFORE??? Could have fooled me....

                          and Equine Canada is therefore the sole authoritative source of information on rules and procedures for the officials programs. Our officials will have an undiminished ability to officiate at EC sanctioned events ...EC officials should be cautious about advice from non-EC associations on their professional responsibilities and obligations, as only EC sets and enforces their rules and code of conduct...
                          (And if you judge a non-sanctioned show you will be black-balled...Oops...Did I say that out LOUD?)

                          DO I sound bitter? After years of volunteering, and trying to make sense of the senseless, pointless and labyrinthine rules and politics of the Canadian "system", I've given up. I'll shut up, pay whatever fees they tell me and do my thing. And, that's exactly what they want.

                          NJR
                          Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                            #14
                            It gets better... I just called our Provincial organization. Apparently they've been fielding "WTF" calls all morning (shocker!)... and they have NOT signed anything from EC. They're still in negotiations!

                            Until I see something official from the province I'm sitting tight...
                            "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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                            • #15
                              SHF had a preemptive response to this reform a while ago, but I can't seem to find it now.

                              The main issue IIRC was that EC wanted SHF to give them money for every PSO member. In Saskatchewan a good number of the members are backyard type horse people who do not compete and will get no direct benefit from EC. Many are SHF members solely for the insurance.

                              As no EC member benefits would change, everyone has to pay more, and those who compete will still need to buy a sport horse license, so everyone is paying more to play the same game, just because EC said so.

                              I can certainly understand that position.

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                              • #16
                                I got this email about 8 times today, in both french and english.

                                I'm just tired of the crap from all of them... they get enough of my money!
                                www.simplicityweimaraners.ca

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                                • #17
                                  Yup, I got it both in English and French, too....makes me feel sooo speshul, but I think it eventually means we will be paying more than we do now. If you don't show much it makes each show very expensive. I see it benefitting the upper level show people the most.
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                                  • #18
                                    Ibex, thanks for clarifying that BC has yet to sign the agreement.

                                    The tone of the email is horrendous. The ceo comes across as autocratic, pompous and elitist.

                                    These are exactly the issues we protested 10 years ago when the CEF, in becoming the EC, went around the country gathering grassroots opinion, only to ignore the overwhelming negative feedback they were getting from the majority of provincial assoc members.

                                    They forced Dressage Canada on anyone who wanted to compete in dressage, and pretty much castrated CADORA, which was and should have remained the national body for dressage. However, CADORA , although started by olympic athletes, was still very concerned about the grassroots members. All I have seen from Dressage Canada is a fascination with funding elite athletes and their programs. The funding and education for amateurs and out of the way places like where I live is almost non existent. In a time when interest in dressage across the continent is at an all time high, we have seen the number of good nationally recognized shows in our area dwindle from about 12 a year before the implementation of EC and DC, to 4. I can only see this as a direct effect of the new EC. Every show organizer says the same thing- its too expensive to run a nationally recognized shows due to all the extra fees imposed on the competitors and show officials. We have a lot of nice, non recognized barn shows that we have a lot of fun at, and many of us join no national organizations at all. $170 a year just for permission to enter a show? outrageous.
                                    "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                                    • #19
                                      Well I got mine english ! Hahaha ! This is too much of sarcasm.

                                      Thanks for this thread because I was really wondering myself about what is going on..They also send me my license renewal and I though this was pretty early in the season.
                                      Élène

                                      Fighting ovarian cancer ! 2013 huge turnaround as I am winning the battle !..
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                                      • #20
                                        For those who read French (and apologies to those who don't) I received the following email from the FEQ, the Quebec provincial organization, today. The plot thickens...

                                        Tous les membres d’une fédération provinciale sont automatiquement membres de Canada Hippique


                                        Au cours de l’été, nous vous informions des intentions de réforme de la fédération nationale, Canada Hippique, auxquelles cinq fédérations provinciales s’opposaient. Depuis, une 6e fédération, soit celle de la Nouvelle-Écosse, a clairement indiqué son intention de ne pas approuver ces réformes.

                                        Entre temps, Canada Hippique a émis divers communiqués dont vous avez eu certainement connaissance. Nous déplorons la confusion engendrée par ces récentes communications et nous jugeons important de vous informer adéquatement sur les sujets suivants :

                                        Cotisation de membre

                                        Selon les règlements généraux de Canada Hippique, tout membre d’une fédération provinciale est automatiquement membre de Canada Hippique. C’est la raison pour laquelle le logo de Canada Hippique apparaît sur votre carte de membre. Aucun amendement n’ayant été apporté sur ce point, la clause reste actuelle. Les avis légaux obtenus sur ce sujet sont d’ailleurs sans équivoque.


                                        Tout membre de la Fédération équestre du Québec bénéficie automatiquement d’une couverture en assurance accident et responsabilité civile. Cette protection est identique à celle offerte par Canada Hippique.


                                        Selon les règlements généraux de Canada Hippique, il existe une seule catégorie de membre d’association provinciale. La Fédération équestre du Québec, tout comme les autres fédérations sont membres en règle de Canada Hippique et ont les mêmes droits.

                                        Services exclusifs à Canada Hippique

                                        Des services tels que les licences sportives, le passeport cheval, sont des services vendus exclusivement par Canada Hippique et ne correspondent pas à une cotisation de membre. La cotisation de membre à Canada Hippique est intégrée gratuitement dans la cotisation provinciale (FEQ).

                                        Contribution annuelle des fédérations provinciales

                                        Depuis plusieurs années, toutes les fédérations provinciales contribuent financièrement au fonctionnement de Canada Hippique en versant un montant qui est un pourcentage calculé en fonction du nombre de membres.


                                        Nous vous rappelons que les six fédérations provinciales ont décidé de ne pas appuyer les projets de réforme de Canada Hippique pour les raisons suivantes :

                                        Nous sommes contre l’imposition d’une cotisation supplémentaire de 10 $ (5 $ en 2010 et 10 $ à compter de 2011) pour TOUS les membres de TOUTES les fédérations provinciales. (72 000 membres à travers le Canada).
                                        Cela signifie que tous les membres (supporteurs, bénévoles, propriétaires, cavaliers de loisir, cavalier de compétitions, randonneurs, en équitation classique, western, attelage, etc.), seraient assujettis à cette nouvelle imposition. Rappelons que 75 % des membres de la Fédération équestre du Québec n’utilisent pas les services de Canada Hippique car ils ne participent aux activités régies par elle.


                                        Nous sommes en désaccord pour céder les coordonnées complètes des membres de toutes les fédérations provinciales.

                                        Les représentants des fédérations provinciales souhaitent et tentent de trouver des solutions et des ententes avec la fédération nationale car l’objectif n’est pas de se dissocier de Canada Hippique. C’est en travaillant ensemble que nous réussirons à développer les sports équestres.



                                        Richard Mongeau
                                        Directeur général de la FEQ

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