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  • #21
    Thank you magdelene for your insights into CH. I love hearing the 'real scoop' about riders. I have always liked her interviews & articles and her outspoken, down-to-earth way of writing. I also admire her riding style. I hope she does another clinic tour this year - I missed it last year (horsie injury).
    "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." - The Little Prince

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    • #22
      Here's how it works

      This is the last time it will work this way, but in 2007 there are five leagues, U.S, Canada, Central Europe, Western Europe and Pacific. Pacific, which includes Australia, Canada and Central Europe all get one rider. The U.S. gets 2 and W.Europe gets 8.

      The U.S. determines the riders with the League Final, this year in Burbank. Top 2 definitely go. The W.E. League determines their 8 with by adding the scores together from 5 qualifiers. I believe they can do 6 and drop one score. s'Hertogenbosch is their League Final, but it's really just the last qualifier. But the top 8 are cumulative, not based on how they do at the last qualifier.

      So if you're counting, that's 13 spots accounted for. There are five remaining wild cards. The FEI gives out the wild cards and the national federations apply for them. The U.S. will almost definitely get one wild card and might get a second because we're the host nation, although no nation is supposed to have more than 3 riders.

      So Catherine is basically hoping for a wild card. And she has a good shot at getting one.

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        #23
        Originally posted by GrandPrixNYFL1 View Post
        I totally agree with Defeinerstar. Catherine is doing well however, we have riders do better here in the states. Its the classic case of the fact that it is more difficult to qualify for an American Team outside of the states. Also, I was not too impressed with the way she conducted herself at WEG. She and her American sponsors attended all of the team dinners. I found her to be very outspoken and rude. Especially when she was dealing with Leslie Morse. She was in a way acting like it was Leslie's fault that she wasn't on the team. Now I know we've all been through the Leslie talks but, in this case Catherine was totally in the wrong. I will be amazed if she does make it to the World Cup. We have some real experienced team riders here doing super well. I guess we'll all see..... Sabine that reply from Defeinerstar was not at all non-pratriotic! It wasn't even a rude comment. Further it is totally 'American' to voice ones oppinion! Get over it

        I am over it...no worries...but please tell me - who here in the States RIGHT NOW has a horse that is going markedly better....?? The ones that come to mind are Brentina and Floriano. Both are not definites..they haven't competed in a while and are either being saved or coming back from injury. Same with Morse. Tuny is doing great but not hugely greater than Catherine and that in the States- rather than in Europe. So who are the great horses we have....?
        "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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        • #24
          Sure Sabine It'll be my pleasure to educate you. First Steffen in CA has two horses that are receiving much higher marks in competition and winning (CDI)! Further, Tuny, Courtney, and Guenter are posting higher marks then Catherine in the Grand Prix and Freestyle. She just simply isn't getting the scores in the Grand Prix like our other American riders. Just take a look at the scores...... Sometimes its better to have your facts straight before you speak.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by GrandPrixNYFL1 View Post
            Sure Sabine It'll be my pleasure to educate you. First Steffen in CA has two horses that are receiving much higher marks in competition and winning (CDI)! Further, Tuny, Courtney, and Guenter are posting higher marks then Catherine in the Grand Prix and Freestyle. She just simply isn't getting the scores in the Grand Prix like our other American riders. Just take a look at the scores...... Sometimes its better to have your facts straight before you speak.
            Wow, you must be pretty special to come on here and act like you know it all. You sure put Sabine in her place!

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            • #26
              Its more than just the scores!

              Hello, Its about ones long History of showing, doing well, charisma. Teamwork, and the most important thing politics! Everyone has been to a show where none of the key players are at! Its dull. Its the riders that you can here a pin drop when they come into the ring that will be at the World Cup! Those who have a chemistry with the Audience. And of course a great ride doesnt hurt. I think the way Catherine treated Leslie might just come back to bite her on the haunches!

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              • #27
                Sabine isn't getting educated, she's getting misinformed. My sincerest apologies to the poster who wrote that, but you're wrong.

                When scores in America are even close to the equivalent of scores in Europe, that might be a partly accurate statement. Til then, it is not - not in any way.

                Scores at those levels are still, NOT, completely exactly, in all cases, the equivalent of scores earned in Europe. You are saying apples and oranges are equal - they're not. That is why people travel to Europe, to get in the swim with the big fish, to have the judges see them. It's a different level of competition.

                America is getting better all the time, and specific CLASSES at specific shows are more comparable to Europe, but still not exactly the same. Even though our team goes over there and competes at selected smaller shows (ALWAYS) to prepare before an olympics or a worlds, they STILL do not score as high there as they do here, on average. The judges are different, and the classes are different. When European judges are brought over here, even the exact same judges don't score the same, because the people in the classes are different and the expectations are different; they may even be pressured to score higher here, that has been implied at times. In Europe, they don't have to respond to that kind of pressure.

                Nor are scores in ALL European shows the same. One has to have more indepth knowledge of each show and judge, and who showed up, to make any conclusions about how significant a particular score was.

                I know people in America, even, who pick and choose which show to go to so they place as high as possible. I know people who have won tons of awards by picking small recognized shows where they know no one else will be in their class. That sort of 'small tour' is in Europe too, so you have to know which show you are talking about and what sort of show it is where the score was earned.

                Haddad is doing well, and has for many years. She is smart - very smart. She is doing what she needs to do to hop up. You would have to look very far to find anyone more focused and more intelligent in where she spends her energy. She is very organized and very astute and that is a big part of success.

                Her scores need to come up more, to put her in the same bucket with the top 5 riders in the world. They aren't high enough for that yet, but they very well may get there - how long that takes depends on a lot of things, not just her riding - her horses, how much exposure she gets to the European judges, chiefly.

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                • #28
                  Thus the Problem.

                  You are right! And the USA still must send those who have been in the Big Game and gotten the scores! And the Sponsers need crowd pleasers.

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                  • #29
                    Sorry Youngfilly, I may be new to the BB but I have been doing dressage for years! Further, I am just adding my oppinions. If you disagree with them state your own.
                    Defeinerstar I think you're 100% correct. What goes around comes back around!
                    SLC2 I understand and respect your oppinion. Meanwhile, CDI (international) scores are the same whether they are held in Noth America, South America, Europe etc. There are only so many international judges. Often you'll find our judging panels here in the states are the same or similiar to the panels we are seeing at the larger European CDIs. Her scores when compared on paper are lower in general then the scores posting here in the states for our top riders. Some people believe that it is actually easier to gain scores in Europe. As European judges are used to rewarding rides with much higher scores. In a sense it doesn't take them out of their comfort zone. Where as sometimes in the states we spook at the thought of an 80% for a Grand Prix test. So there is a different school of thought then your own. I am only looking at what I see on paper and score check.

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                    • #30
                      You're both totally missing what I am saying. I don't care if you don't agree, but for heaven's sake, at least read what i wrote.

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                        #31
                        Originally posted by GrandPrixNYFL1 View Post
                        Sure Sabine It'll be my pleasure to educate you. First Steffen in CA has two horses that are receiving much higher marks in competition and winning (CDI)! Further, Tuny, Courtney, and Guenter are posting higher marks then Catherine in the Grand Prix and Freestyle. She just simply isn't getting the scores in the Grand Prix like our other American riders. Just take a look at the scores...... Sometimes its better to have your facts straight before you speak.
                        I am in CA and I see Steffen and Gunter- anytime they show- I think I know quite well what they have currently going....
                        Tuny and Courtney being on the other coast I am not as familiar with but I know their scores......

                        and I tend to believe that the european Big Tour is not comparable to the US Big Tour....now go ahead and have a fit!
                        "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                        • #32
                          We are lucky to say what we feel.

                          Well I think everyone is waiting to see how Leslie does personally! She has the best two Horses in the Country both which I hear are doing super. You can hear a pin Drop.

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                          • #33
                            Sabine, I'm not going to have a fit. That is your oppinion. However, if you have checked out the scores you would know CH are not as high as the scores in the states. You are sadly mistaken if you think an 8 in the USA is a 6 in Europe. A 6 is a 6 any where according to FEI rules. I also think Leslie may add herself to the list of big players! She had a fantastic ride at the last World Cup. I would love to see Kingston in the running. Especially after all the bull that followed WEG.

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                            • #34
                              Thanks

                              Thats correct! Her scores arent there she needs to be in the top 6 not 11th. The kind of ride leslie gave in the last World Cup On Kingston........which frankly I think was the best American ride at the World Cup. Is the kind of riding and Charisma our Team needs. I wish Catharine well but she isnt there yet.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Defeinerstar View Post
                                The kind of ride leslie gave in the last World Cup On Kingston........which frankly I think was the best American ride at the World Cup. Is the kind of riding and Charisma our Team needs.

                                I was hoping maybe you were kidding ... but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you are talking about the last World Cup in Vegas right? Not the last World Cup? Honestly you think Kingston was better than Brentinna? I could understand the argument for Kennedy maybe? I mean reasonable people can differ but I don't think there are too many with your high esteem of Kingston.

                                I am with those that hold the scoring is a little tougher in Europe.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Defeinerstar View Post
                                  Well I think everyone is waiting to see how Leslie does personally! She has the best two Horses in the Country both which I hear are doing super. You can hear a pin Drop.
                                  I don't think 'everyone' is waiting, clearly you are a Leslie fan and are entitled to your opinion but don't make false claims, she is now (and always has been as far as I know) ranked below Steffen, Gunter and Debbie regarless of which of her 'two best horses in the country' she competes with.

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                                    #37
                                    here are the standings as of right now:

                                    http://www.feiworldcup.org/PDFS/D_06_WC_weu_67.pdf

                                    SChulten-Baumer recently lost her horse. So Catherine is in effect at 10th place. I think she can make it. And in the end- we'll all see anyway....
                                    "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                                    • #38
                                      Kkj??

                                      Yes, Kingston in Vegas thats what we where talking about. Brenttina was pretty.. and the way she has always looked to me Push button! Like she is being held together. Still an amazing mare. Kingston and Maximus there is no comparison. Tip-Top and Maximus there is no comparison.

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                                      • #39
                                        Just stirring the pot.

                                        Originally posted by Dressagegroom View Post
                                        I don't think 'everyone' is waiting, clearly you are a Leslie fan and are entitled to your opinion but don't make false claims, she is now (and always has been as far as I know) ranked below Steffen, Gunter and Debbie regarless of which of her 'two best horses in the country' she competes with.
                                        Well, The sky is the limit! I am just saying what I have heard. I think they are all great. I just dont think Catherine is there yet.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Dressagegroom View Post
                                          I don't think 'everyone' is waiting
                                          Amen.

                                          And that's my polite response.

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