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  • Canter-walk help

    Anyone have any suggestions for helping me figure out canter-walk transitions? I have a 17 yo TB who has progressed amazingly in the last couple of years...he's now schooling almost all the Second Level movements successfully, except for those #%&* canter-walk transitions! I know most of the problem is me...I just can't seem to get the timing right...but he doesn't help, because he likes to fall on my inside leg at just the wrong moment. We get them right occasionally, but it's still pretty hit-or-miss and I was hoping someone would have some exercises to help me.

    I should add that I do work with a great trainer (not as often as I'd like) and she seems to think I just need to figure out the timing...but I'm getting frustrated.

    Thanks!
    ~Nancy~

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  • #2
    Do some very energetic, active cantering with the horse in a good contact and a little gathered together but very forward, go into a very active, busy walk, and give an obvious and clear aid to canter almost immediately.

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    • #3
      SLC don't think she's asking walk/canter but the other way around.

      MVM- Good timing on this question as thats where I'm at too. My plan is to just keep asking and accept its not going to be perfect at first BUT the more I practice the better it gets.

      I also do a ton of HH and transitions within the trot and W/T T/W so he's really listening to my seat as I know my tendacy is to ask with too much hand when he doesn't respond to my seat which is a downhill battle.

      So all I can suggest is make sure he's really listening to your seat and then keep practing

      Maybe someone else can give us a light bulb moment!!
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      • #4
        I am working on this too right now, and what I have found works best for my mare (who is a giant PITA) is to get a VERY collected canter, do a 10m circle off my outside aids to help get her sitting, and then ask right as I finish the circle. I think halt instead of walk, and I try to remember not to throw away the contact as I ask for the transition.

        Doing them up a slight incline can help too.

        But you have to get the canter nice and collected and strong before you're going to get a good c-w transition.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
          I am working on this too right now, and what I have found works best for my mare (who is a giant PITA) is to get a VERY collected canter, do a 10m circle off my outside aids to help get her sitting, and then ask right as I finish the circle. I think halt instead of walk, and I try to remember not to throw away the contact as I ask for the transition.

          Doing them up a slight incline can help too.

          But you have to get the canter nice and collected and strong before you're going to get a good c-w transition.
          This was how I was taught to teach them as well and it really works! As you are coming to the wall, ask with half halts and then sit..

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          • #6
            actually, jacksprat's mom, i think of riding the forward transition after to get a better downward transition.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
              I am working on this too right now, and what I have found works best for my mare (who is a giant PITA) is to get a VERY collected canter, do a 10m circle off my outside aids to help get her sitting, and then ask right as I finish the circle. I think halt instead of walk, and I try to remember not to throw away the contact as I ask for the transition.

              Doing them up a slight incline can help too.

              But you have to get the canter nice and collected and strong before you're going to get a good c-w transition.


              Ditto. This is what works for my mare as well. Do a 10-12m canter circle and right at the end of the circle, really SIT down and "halt" but really walk. It comes with lots of practice and strength.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by blackhorse6 View Post
                This was how I was taught to teach them as well and it really works! As you are coming to the wall, ask with half halts and then sit..
                good post op look here if you dont know how to do the half halt stride as i explain it in my helpful links pages
                treat the half halt stride as your mate like the trot is
                half halt stride collects the pace and visa versa it informs the horse something is going to change so use the half halt in all your transition but to teach it to the horse do it in walk use it in all walk paces then all trot paces going up and down gears then introduce canter and counter canter then you can work the horse in canter to walk and walk to canter
                lengthen and shortening the strides using the half halt stride - use the full lenght and width of a school to help you help your horse

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                • #9
                  The point of the canter-walk transitions is to show you are developing collection- and it really does take a good amount of collection to do it well. Practice getting if off of your seat and weight into heels- not from your hands. We do lots of transitions from working canter to collected canter to pirouette canter and back out to working or medium. Don't stay in pirouette canter long, and make sure you go forward out of it at least as often as you use it set up a halt/walk transition because you don't want the horse to anticipate and not keep his hind legs active. From a good active pirouette canter, you should just think half halt and exhale and your walk should be right there.

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                  • #10
                    Really SLC ?
                    go into a very active, busy walk, and give an obvious and clear aid to canter almost immediately.
                    Then why this?
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                      #11
                      Sigh. Thanks everyone. I guess I just have to do it until I figure it out. I think my horse is due for a Legend/Adequan dose as well, that may help.
                      ~Nancy~

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                      • #12
                        jsm, i get a better downward transition when i immediately go forward in canter after because the horse anticipates the strong forward transition as he is doing the downward transition and rocks back and sits on his hind leg strongly, it's like a training kind of thing.

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                        • #13
                          I've been playing with this with several horses lately, and finding, depending a bit on the horse and a bit on the phase of the moon several things have helped; really getting them in a good collected canter, maybe even prouette canter, beforehand, remembering to keep my calf at least resting on their side, keeping my seatbones fairly light, getting them really llistening to half halts via trot halt and transitions within the gaits.

                          Doing some fairly high angle haunches in and half pass before the transition work seems to help, too. Not sure yet if it is the stretching aspect. or the stepping under, or subtle communication via the outside rein, but actually had a breakthrough last night with one horse after some lateral work...

                          In short, of course, get a perfect canter and it will be a piece of cake. Good luck!
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                          • #14
                            The following exercises were prescribed for developing the canter/walk transition:
                            1) spiral in, on the 20 m to 10 m circle in canter.
                            2) haunches in on the spiral in, shoulder in on the spiral out, in canter on a 20 m circle
                            3) after that is developed, spiral in from the 20 m to as small a diameter of circle as possible and develop the walk transition from the automatic collection that comes from the inward spiral and small circle. concnetrate on keeping the forehand elevated and jumping and coming down to walk with the hind legs well under.
                            4) as you come off the open side of a 20 m circle, and approach the wall, ask for the transition down.
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                            • #15
                              The key to the canter/walk transition is pretty much the position and weighting of your outside stirrup. You need to ground the horse's outside fore to begin the walk. When you ground a leg, you are applying momentarily a greater weighting of the stirrup to that leg. When we ride the canter, our weight is in the outside stirrup, but the position of the leg is behind the girth. To begin the transition to the walk, you need your weighted stirrup to move forward to a position that is at the girth to slightly ahead of the girth, depending on your direction. You will find it easier to stop the right lead canter into the walk than it will be to stop the left lead canter into the walk.

                              The weight you feel in the stirrup, and the degree you must take it forward will depend on by how much your horse is crooked. This will depend equally on your own crookedness. Let's take a horse that is just beginning Second Level, which I believe you said yours was. Let's also assume that the horse is hollow to the right, and so are you. The test generally begins the simple change from the left lead, and remember...this is the more difficult one from which to do the down transition. The horse is actually traveling with its right shoulder down and back by too great a degree. You need to get that outside, right shoulder slightly more forward and up. So you half-halt through your inside rein during the canter stride right before the stride from which you will do the transition. This bends the horse a bit more...you do not want much, just a little. You begin the next canter stride with that little more bend, and now move your outside leg forward to ask for walk. Remember to begin walking with your body...one, two, three walk steps. Back now into canter on the fourth count, for the right lead canter of your simple change.

                              If you begin your simple change from the right lead, you will almost drop the horse into walk as soon as you move your outside leg forward...provided that you half-halted on your left rein (which is now the outside rein) prior to the step which asks for the transition. As you do these exercises, you must always be taking into consideration the horse's straightness. Does the motion need more lateral bend because the horse is not bending enough, or does the horse need less lateral bend because the horse is bending too much. Half-halt according. Do not just use the outside rein by rote.

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                              • #16
                                I don't know how to really explain this, it is what a BNT told me once at a clinic. It is something I have learned to feel rather then verbalize, but as I ask for the canter to walk transition, as part of the half halt, I exhale deeply into my diaphram and the walk comes nice and lightly, Cody steps into the walk, I can feel his transition down.

                                Does that make sense to anyone else. The result is a nice transition.
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                                • #17
                                  I only practiced this a short time before the 4th level horse I was riding retired, but Jane Savoie at the USDF clinic last year had a great mental image of slowing the canter down to the same speed as the walk before the transition. So it's like

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                                  • #18
                                    Here's what I do, that's a disclaimer: When you canter, sit up nice and tall (but not tense), suck his back up with your core and half halt when the ears come back to you. You should feel his balance shift backwards, his front come up, and he should feel "slower". Keep sucking () him up with your core and half halting till he is nice and under him, and than just pull a little harder when his ears come back and let your weight sink into his back. There is nothing wrong with using voice commands while practicing either.
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                                    • #19
                                      I think of doing the downward transition as his hind legs land and his front is still up in the air.

                                      I think of "land the plane" (wheels first, then nose) - hind legs, then front.

                                      So as he's landing the canter stride, he just lands into a walk.

                                      Too many people ask when the front end is down, and they just crash onto the forehand, and usually stop instead of walk. (That's because the hind legs are already going up into the air for the next canter stride)

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                                      • #20
                                        Another reason for a "crash" is taking your leg off. You neeed to keep your leg on to say to your horse," We're staying active here."
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