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    What is your opinion of Pintos in dressage?

  • #2
    a horses color does not affect its movement or ability. Some people are always going to prefer "classic" horses, dark bays, blacks etc. Personally am a fan of the pinto, and i have a sempatico baby due in the spring, but the color is just a bonus! I have seen a ton of really nice pintos at the top in dressage, jumpers, and eventing... i have also seen some that are never going to make it past the lower levels...

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    • #3
      Pinto what?
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      chaque pas est fait ensemble

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      • #4
        Pinto being a color, I am not sure about your question. Do you mean "Is there a bias against pinto-colored horses?" or "Is there a bias against the Pinto breed?" Very different questions! There are people on this board who show pinto-colored horses (often WBs or high-percentage WBs) and do very well with them.

        One thing about any "unusual" color is that you will stand out, for better and for worse. I show a very flashy palomino Morgan, who can be quite naughty, and we do stand out negatively for that. At the same time, she is a lovely horse with very nice gaits for the lower levels, and we stand out positively for that.
        You have to have experiences to gain experience.

        1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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        • #5
          I think you will be noticed! Now whether that's good or bad, is up to the horse and rider I would think. FWIW I hope to out there showing my pinto someday soon!
          http://www.flickr.com/photos/4201395...rig=3871782815
          (minus the grumpy ears..that's a grouchy mare trying to run him off)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by quietann View Post
            "Is there a bias against the Pinto breed?"
            As this poster noted, "pinto" is a color. There is no pinto "breed." There is a PAINT breed, but that is different.

            All that aside, I really think in this country there is no bias based on color. I bred a Sempatico colt who not only scored high enough to win his very large foal inspection, but finished in the Top 20 of the nation that year for his registry...that would have been some 400+ foals.

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            • #7
              Well, I show a registered chestnut overo Paint mare with one blue eye. She is also a registered Pinto. We're only showing Intro. at schooling shows though. I do get lots of "cute horse" comments from the judges even if she's not your "typical" dressage mount.

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              • #8
                Personally, I like horses with color, and haven't seen that they necessarily do any better or worse than horses of any other color if they are ridden well.

                However, there is occasionally a pinto whose color can give a deceiving appearance - either good or bad. For example, there is a lovely little mare at my barn who works quite nicely, but because of her markings, she always gives the impression of being not quite round, even when she is. I'm sure that this is an optical illusion, but I'm sure it could throw off an unsuspecting judge here or there.
                Here Be Dragons: My blog about venturing beyond the lower levels as a dressage amateur.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kyzteke View Post
                  As this poster noted, "pinto" is a color. There is no pinto "breed." There is a PAINT breed, but that is different.
                  There is a Pinto registry. Many horses registered with APHA are also registered with the PtHA. There are also horses registered with PtHA and not APHA, and the other way around. PtHA allows different breed types- if the horse has the color basically it can be registered PtHA if it falls in one of their breed types, whereas a horse registered APHA must have one parent registered with the APHA and the other parent APHA, AQHA, or Jockey Club.

                  As far as 'colored horses' in dressage, I have an APHA mare that holds her own in the dressage ring. She has the movement- the looks are an added bonus.

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                  • #10
                    I think most dressage judges are 'color blind', is what I think.

                    For many years, in the hunter ring, it was said that horses with a lot of white, or lighter or mixed colors, simply could not succeed. The 'hunter look' was the dark bay with little white and that was it. Well the hunter ring has changed.

                    For a long time, dressage consisted mostly of former hunt seat riders. And they brought their color prejudices with them. I'm not so sure the judges in dressage ever were that conscious of color, and that color thing never really appeared to be a part of European dressage scene. Warmbloods and the anglo arabs and others used in Europe over the decades have always varied in color and had lots of white markings, because, I think, people over there just didn't notice or care about it one way or another and didn't rigorously try to get it out of the gene pool.

                    If the horse simply isn't of a sport horse type, and has poor balance and gaits, then in a larger, more competitive show in a very strong class full of horses that had better balance and gaits, a rider might have a tough time getting a blue ribbon, because balance and gaits help a horse in performing the test just a little bit better and placing a little higher in the class. Obedience and accuracy still count for a lot, and a lot of less than ideal horses do well just from being well schooled.

                    If a horse is of a sport type, has good balance and good gaits, the rider and horse may place high in a class, despite the class being very competitive, because balance and gaits help them to score just that bit higher.

                    But most people aren't in there to get a blue ribbon, they are showing to better their own past scores, and school their horse, and have fun.
                    Last edited by slc2; Sep. 30, 2009, 08:38 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I've had two pintos i've shown i open, recognized dressage.

                      The first was a half Arab pinto and when I first started showing her in the early 90s we were the only pinto on the whole showgrounds. She did well, scored well and won many championships. Her career was interrupted many times due to lack of money on my part, a tendon tear, and two foals.

                      I am showing a pinto daughter of hers now - have gotten scores for my Bronze at first and second, and hope to get the ones at Third next year. Would have done it this year but she fractured her coffin bone a few months ago and was off a few months. Fortunately it was in the 'best' possible place for a fracture. She also has been very competitive, and has been champion, high score of show, etc. She has gotten better as she's moved up the levels. Even tho she's half Oldenburg, 1/4 Arab and 1/4 paint, she looks very baroque, and she's only 15h. But she has a super work ethic and just loves her job!

                      From last week:
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJCVG...eature=related

                      I will say if you have a pinto, the judge will remember you, for better or worse! My two have been very consistent and I think that's actually worked in my favor - judge expects them to do well!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eponacelt View Post
                        Personally, I like horses with color, and haven't seen that they necessarily do any better or worse than horses of any other color if they are ridden well.

                        However, there is occasionally a pinto whose color can give a deceiving appearance - either good or bad. For example, there is a lovely little mare at my barn who works quite nicely, but because of her markings, she always gives the impression of being not quite round, even when she is. I'm sure that this is an optical illusion, but I'm sure it could throw off an unsuspecting judge here or there.
                        I remember a piece of advice long ago by a top-level dressage rider who wasn't talking about a pinto necessarily, but said that funny as it sounds, you might want to be careful buying a dark horse with a crooked blaze that goes off one side of its nose - because the optical illusion might make the judge think the horse is twisting its head off-center. I want to say it was Hilda Gurney's advice on buying a dressage horse, but I'm probably wrong (so don't hold my likely lack of a correct memory against her).

                        I DO know that it is harder to judge some pintos in conformation classes because there are times your eye follows the color-line rather than the actual body outline.
                        Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, and Western Pleasure folks don't like horses with only white socks on the front and back of the same side. Diagonal legs OK, two socks behind OK, two socks in front icky. Something about maximizing the visual appeal of the lope.

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                          • #14
                            My pinto is lovely. All others suck. There's an opinion for ya!
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                            • #15
                              I think Hilda Gurney said that in her selecting the sport horse video, others say the same too.

                              There was an argus filly for sale some years ago that had one leg white up past her elbow.

                              MAN did she look cool.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by coloredhorse View Post
                                My pinto is lovely. All others suck. There's an opinion for ya!
                                Love this.

                                My horse is not only pinto, but Arab/Saddlebred to boot. He has killer gaits and a fabulous work ethic. I can't wait to see how far we'll go together.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                  I think Hilda Gurney said that in her selecting the sport horse video, others say the same too.

                                  There was an argus filly for sale some years ago that had one leg white up past her elbow.

                                  MAN did she look cool.
                                  Now that sounds neat! I'd love to see that!
                                  Here Be Dragons: My blog about venturing beyond the lower levels as a dressage amateur.

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                                  • #18
                                    A paint is a breed (I have had one)... I believe they have to be a colored QH. Pinto is a color they can be registered but it is a color registry not a "breed registry".
                                    I have never ran into a color bias in dressage with either my paint or my pinto lol (I have had both). But the coloring has caused problems with scoring my horses walk. Her marking cause an illusion that she is 2-beating but really she isn't. We get either 5's or 8's depending on what they see

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Shrunk "N" Da Wash View Post
                                      A paint is a breed (I have had one)... I believe they have to be a colored QH. Pinto is a color they can be registered but it is a color registry not a "breed registry".
                                      I have never ran into a color bias in dressage with either my paint or my pinto lol (I have had both). But the coloring has caused problems with scoring my horses walk. Her marking cause an illusion that she is 2-beating but really she isn't. We get either 5's or 8's depending on what they see
                                      A registered paint must have one parent who is a registered paint, the other may be paint, quarter horse, or thoroughbred. You will find that many of the english bred paints have alot of thoroughbred in them.

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                                      • #20
                                        Ha ha, how appropriate- see the Naughty Pony in the spectacular halt thread!!!!!!!!!!! Of course the color is just incidental, but makes the halt more interesting.

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