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Braiding pros: How do you tie up the "round braid"?

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  • Braiding pros: How do you tie up the "round braid"?

    Hi COTHers-

    I'd like to expand a little beyond the traditional flat "hunter" type braid (where you do a fold under then tie across the top or even the double fold then tie--you know, the one we all modeled from the book Grooming to Win) to trying out a Torilas type braid (which looks positively ROUND!) (Note: I'm sure it's not a Torilas-only braid--his photos of late just really jumped out at me (could be the horse!! ))))

    Tips on tying up the "round" braid? Do you roll it up or something?

    Thanks all! We're hoping to look our best for GAIG finals.

  • #2
    AKA "button" braids

    the "round braids" are actually "hunter" braids doubled under twice. I sew mine in but have seen people do theirs ( pretty decently, too) with rubber bands. You should get it if you experiment with it.

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    • #3
      That's how I do it because it's easy, but I think there's a different way of doing it that pulls the end up through with a needle.

      Then there is plaits, which look sort of like a button braid and they are just beautiful - traditional I think is 9 plaits for a mare, and 11 for gelding - maybe another count for a stallion, can't remember.

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      • #4
        I FINALLY figured out how to make a decent "button" braid. (Don't laugh! I showed Arabs and Arab crosses for years -- and before that, back in the Dark Ages, junior's hunter braids were never expected to be good-looking.)

        I'll try to describe the braid:

        Plait your yarn into the braid ASAP. Tie off the end of the braid securely with the yarn. Using a large, blunt needle with the biggest eye you can find, run the yarn through the top of the braid (from the underside of the braid), then back down through the braid and through (or just above) the knot you tied at the end of the braid. Here's the important part, and the part I kept screwing up:

        You now have a braid, folded in the middle and secured at the base of the braid at the horse's crest. Take the needle & yarn, run them up through the folded part of the braid and back through the top of the braid. Scrunch the braid up to the crest as you pull the needle & yarn tight. Now remove the needle (DON'T DROP & LOSE IT IN THE SHAVINGS!!!), Wrap one end of the yarn clockwise once around the base of the braid, wrap the other end of the yarn counter-clockwise around the base of the braid. Tie off the two ends on top of the braid with a square knot, trim the ends of the yarn to about 1/4 to 1/2 inch and you're done.

        The key to a really nice tight braid is to make sure every time you run the needle and thread up & down through the braid it's centered and everything pulled nice & snug.

        Mine stayed pristine looking through two days of showing and looked like they'd have been good for another day at least. I use a "Sleazy" or other such neck cover to protect the braids from rubbing or rolling, too.

        Good luck at the GAIG finals!

        PS. Any product that helps your braids be more sticky is good, too. Quik Braid, Mane & Tail, or Dippity Do (What we used in the Dark Ages) for instance. Makes tight braids easier to achieve.

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        • #5
          Then there is plaits
          er plaits are just the English way of saying braids....
          I have horse to sell to you. Horse good for riding. Can pull cart. Horse good size. Eats carrots and apples. Likes attention. Move head to music. No like opera! You like you buy.

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          • #6
            Everything is on Youtube. The braider did a great job. Cute video too.


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq2aWYcn00I

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            • #7
              Interesting variation, in the UK thread is used and not braided in....

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnNT8...eature=related
              I have horse to sell to you. Horse good for riding. Can pull cart. Horse good size. Eats carrots and apples. Likes attention. Move head to music. No like opera! You like you buy.

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              • #8
                Dang! The Youtube video is waay helpful. Sorry I wasted brain cells typing out a description. Pictures worth a thousand words and all that...

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                • #9
                  Another variation is to take your whole braid and tie it in a single knot, then sew the end up through the base of the braid (tight!). Then you wrap the ends around in opposite directions and tie like normal. The mane has to be the right length for this though; if its too short you won't be able to knot it, and too long will leave a length of braid hanging out of the knot. Make sure to knot them all the same direction. These kind of braids are virtually indestructible.

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                  • #10
                    Just a hint on the tying off. Tie off on the underside and clip the thread close to the base of the knot. I hate the little ends on top. I think it ruins with the clean line of the braid.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by high hat View Post
                      Just a hint on the tying off. Tie off on the underside and clip the thread close to the base of the knot. I hate the little ends on top. I think it ruins with the clean line of the braid.
                      Agreed! The way I describe is the way I was taught -- but the ends on top made no sense to me -- except from a distance, who can see the yarn ends?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Beasmom View Post
                        Dang! The Youtube video is waay helpful. Sorry I wasted brain cells typing out a description. Pictures worth a thousand words and all that...
                        Yes it was a very clear video too. I guess you can clean up as a braider. Too bad I rode western as a kid. I'm really good at braiding and could have used the money! $500 a night is pretty good for a teen.

                        Note to self: Teach pre-teen daughter how to braid.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by helent623 View Post
                          Another variation is to take your whole braid and tie it in a single knot, then sew the end up through the base of the braid (tight!). Then you wrap the ends around in opposite directions and tie like normal. The mane has to be the right length for this though; if its too short you won't be able to knot it, and too long will leave a length of braid hanging out of the knot. Make sure to knot them all the same direction. These kind of braids are virtually indestructible.
                          this is how I do my braids, but I don't use a pull-through or a needle, I just tie the braid in a single knot, then separate the yarn (I use double yarn - 2 strands instead of one), wrap around the base twice, tie a square knot at the top, wrap around once and tie a bunch of knots under the braid (this line of knots make it easy to take the braids OUT)

                          Practice at home

                          I WAS one of those kids at the hunter shows who braided all night.

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                          • #14
                            'plait' does mean 'braid', of course, but I'm referring to a slightly different style. The 'english plaits' I've seen are quite a bit larger than the usual braid, and actually, they do look somewhat different - the base is looser and makes a sort of mound around each braid. It's very pretty, but I don't see it done much these days.

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                              #15
                              Here's a photo of the braids I'm jones-in to learn...

                              http://www.edwardgal.nl/?p=51&id=14&l=EN

                              I can't download videos from youtube--I live in the boonies and thus, downloading a video will take a lifetime.

                              They do look quite loose at the top...

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                              • #16
                                For the braids like Totilas you just use bigger sections. The trick is to leave it a little baggy at the top when you start the braid. You can either fold it up and elastic it or sew it up with the waxed braiding thread. It looks great and takes very little time to do.

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                                • #17
                                  I tried these larger braids the past two weekends for inspections. Fewer braids in a foal's mane are much easier !!! I just used elastics to put them up.

                                  http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...53083Small.jpg

                                  http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...arm/braids.jpg

                                  http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...rm/braids2.jpg
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                                    #18
                                    Thanks Rival and 6lb. So, when you say "fold it up," I'm guessing you mean just double fold it? That's what I've been doing, but I haven't really been leaving the top loose, so maybe that's why it looked...well...hunter-y.

                                    Haha--I used to use dippity doo! Now, I try to only buy products that haven't been tested on animals, like tres semme or Paul Michel, so he gets fancy gel. Good thing I don't spend any $ on my own hair!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                      'plait' does mean 'braid', of course, but I'm referring to a slightly different style. The 'english plaits' I've seen are quite a bit larger than the usual braid, and actually, they do look somewhat different - the base is looser and makes a sort of mound around each braid. It's very pretty, but I don't see it done much these days.
                                      as if thats if they done the cheats way by using rubber bands or the correct way
                                      which is here-- http://www.horsehero.co.uk/1180/comp...nd-travel/1714
                                      if it doesnt come up go to horse videos on top bar page 2
                                      clipping is on page one

                                      both ways are on my helpful links pages along with tails on page 4

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                                      • #20
                                        I think it's more american to use yarn and more european to use thread? Anyone from the other side of the ocean have any say?

                                        I loved braiding with proper waxed thread. After I used a few rolls I had bought all at once I went looking for more, the local tack shop now does not carry it. I've tried this season with yarn and I think that a needle and thread did a much neater job. I felt that it was much easier to manipulate the braids into being more uniform and perfect.

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