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  • Rollkur And LDR First Hand

    I am certain this will create quite the hullabaloo around the ole water cooler but I just have to post it.

    I've been training with Anky in Erp for one week now (several months to follow) but I have NOT ONE SINGLE TIME been asked to ride in the manner that many people find so controversial.

    My horse has gone better in one week of lessons with Anky simply learning the infant stages of the basics of self carriage and proper use of my aids than I have with years of other training.

    No I'm not going to elaborate more on my training (read my blog posts for some occasional notes) but I just had to post this as a first hand experience so people would know (at least from my experience) riding with Anky is not about what people condemn them and the Dutch for.

    The riding and training here is amazing. The Dutch are incredibly welcoming. It's a wonderful time all around!

    Sincerely,

    angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
    @AngeleaKelly on Facebook & Twitter
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    What a great experience!! Will check out your blog.

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    • #3
      I rode with someone for a number of months who had trained with Anky for about a year. My horse never went better
      See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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      • #4
        Glad you've tried patat met mayo, now you'll have to have a few bitterballen met een pilsje. And the shopping, of course, always the shopping.

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          #5
          wow! i'm sooooooo happy to see positive responses. i felt like i was going out on a limb to share my success in the short term with such a controversial trainer. this has made my day! thanks for the kind replies!!!!

          angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
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          • #6
            to me it would have been stranger if you and your horse had been started in rollkur the very first week.

            they are pro's. and pro's check the lay of the land before they 'build a dam'. and if you're in the equestrian media they will be positive to make sure you come away with nothing but good impressions (they've a lot of fences to mend)

            but at the same time, someone who isn't open to rollkur isn't going to go to their stables to train in the first place.

            i hope you and your horse have a safe time, and you learn what you want to learn.
            Character?
            it's what one does when no one's looking.

            Losing ones long held historical privilege does not equal oppression.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Thylacine View Post
              and if you're in the equestrian media they will be positive to make sure you come away with nothing but good impressions (they've a lot of fences to mend)
              thanks for the reply. i have several friends over the last 4 years who have also trained with anky in erp who are not of the "equestrian media" and had similar experiences to mine thus far so i wouldn't go as far to say and i'm getting different treatment because i produce a horse series.

              i would venture to say that anky is one person who certainly honestly speaks her mind on topics whether you agree with her opinion or not. ;-)

              thanks again for the reply! it's been great thus far but i have so much to learn!

              angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
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              • #8
                (they've a lot of fences to mend)
                Yeah, there is all that success to apologize for
                See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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                • #9
                  Thylacine, please do elucidate on these fences you deem mendworthy. nhwr and I both love a good Sunday Snork.

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                  • #10
                    Sounds like an awesome opportunity to train with a world-champion.

                    I'll check out your blog too! I'd love to hear what you're working on (training-wise) and the tips Anky gives!

                    Good luck! Eat some yummy European chocolate and drink some espresso for me (gosh I miss french food!!).

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                    • #11
                      How wonderful to have your opportunity! Enjoy the ride!

                      I just visited your blog, and it is clear you are enjoying the ride! You go, girl!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by horsegirltv View Post
                        I've been training with Anky in Erp for one week now (several months to follow) but I have NOT ONE SINGLE TIME been asked to ride in the manner that many people find so controversial.

                        If you ARE asked to ride "in the manner that many people find so controversial",
                        will you ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                          Thylacine, please do elucidate on these fences you deem mendworthy. nhwr and I both love a good Sunday Snork.


                          goodness!

                          all those posts [17,plus] on a dressage forum, yet seemingly unaware of the controversy throughout the worlds equestrian media regarding rollkur ? golly.

                          since this is not my thread and I have no wish to turn TVgirls thread into a trainwreck, i shall leave it up to both to do their own research.

                          or perhaps go find your sunday "snork" elsewhere.

                          I only bite when hungry.
                          Character?
                          it's what one does when no one's looking.

                          Losing ones long held historical privilege does not equal oppression.

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                          • #14
                            "not aware of the controversy around the world"

                            Actually, it has been beaten to death here for years, and the people you're accusing of not being aware, are very, very aware and have discussed it here for quite a few years. Most internet debates are just the 'anti' people screaming and telling everyone who doesn't agree that they're wrong and horse abusers and 1 cm behind vertical is abuse...but often the in favor of arguments are pretty silly too.

                            Some say there is no controversy, some say there is. Various amounts of somewhat deep or very deep schooling has become a part of many trainer's training routines. It's seen in the jumpers as well as dressage, and the more hyperflexed positions are said to have come from the jumper trainers. This started to be noticed in the international warmup rings about 30 years ago, though it was used well before that, but that's really when the internet started to be accessible for social chats about it. Some riders, and then more and more, were warming their horses up in various amounts of 'deep and round', 'hyperflexed' or 'rollkur'.

                            And before you start pointing at me and screeching like Donald Sutherland in 'Bodysnatchers', no, I don't train this way, never have, probably never will.

                            to me it would have been stranger if you and your horse had been started in rollkur the very first week.

                            You don't explain why it would be stranger to you. However, your statements imply that this is some sort of cult indoctrination, and would be calculatedly gradual.

                            they are pro's. and pro's check the lay of the land before they 'build a dam'. and if you're in the equestrian media they will be positive to make sure you come away with nothing but good impressions (they've a lot of fences to mend)

                            No horse trainer I've ever met 'builds a dam', calculatedly laying in wait before springing their training methods on the unsuspecting innocents. It's all out there, for all to see, from the start.

                            Watch out! Watch OUT horsetvgirl, Anky will lock you in a dank, dark drippy basement and deprive you of food and water, then wave a dutch pastry in your face til you SWEAR you will pull your horses head to its chest!

                            but at the same time, someone who isn't open to rollkur isn't going to go to their stables to train in the first place.

                            It begins. LOL. In fact, what she said was that she didn't see any horses being schooled that way. The unsuspecting innocent still sees students who have been going there for years, and by your logic, many of them would have drunk the purple koolaid already, and should be flocking around our poor HorseTVGirl like characters from 'Shawn of the Dead', tearing at her clothing and whispering, 'hyperFLEXION....hyperFLEXION...COME with us....JOIN US....You muuuusssstttt...'

                            i hope you and your horse have a safe time, and you learn what you want to learn.

                            I didn't get the impression that you sincerely believe that in any way, shape or form. Actually, I think you want her to run out of there leading her horse and lighting a pair of draw reins on fire, all the while screaming, 'No, No, I won't do it I tell ya! Come on horsey, run, RUN!', while Anky runs after her waving the tantalizing dutch pastry calling out 'JOOOOIN USSSSSS!' and coughing like Gollum.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                              [B]. . .but at the same time, someone who isn't open to rollkur isn't going to go to their stables to train in the first place.

                              It begins. LOL. In fact, what she said was that she didn't see any horses being schooled that way. . . .
                              Well, I'm confused. Care to quote her post on CotH as to where she said that?

                              Eileen
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                              • #16
                                i thought she said that in her blog but i could be mistooken.

                                anyway, back to my dutch pastry...GOLLUM!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                  i thought she said that in her blog but i could be mistooken.

                                  anyway, back to my dutch pastry...GOLLUM!
                                  I think those Dutch pastries may have a little "special" ingredient in them. Or was that Sweden?

                                  Eileen
                                  Mad Mare™ Studio
                                  Custom Swarovski®, Czech glass and gemstone browbands in Circlet, Diadem and Tiara styles. Matching stock pins, bracelets and belts.
                                  http://MadMare.com

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                                  • #18
                                    So, Horsegirltv, we know what you are not doing.

                                    What are you doing that is improving you horse so well?

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                                      #19
                                      Short and to the point, I am learning the basics of going straight, getting my horse in front of my leg and soft in the hand. No fancy tricks, just basics and that's what was hoping/expecting to work on.

                                      Notes on my blog were BEFORE I arrive to The Netherlands and made at my personal facility stateside, FYI.

                                      Thanks to those that wrote nice replies. It's been a great experience here all around and the support is greatly appreciated.

                                      To each his own. For me, a chance to take a peek at this training system to improve my riding, training, and my horse in a positive way is personally an amazing opportunity for me.

                                      Best to all and here's wishing you follow your dreams whether others agree with the direction or not. If it's your passion, go for it!

                                      angelea kelly | HorseGirlTV® | HorseGirlTV.com
                                      @AngeleaKelly on Facebook & Twitter
                                      @HorseGirlTV on Facebook & Twitter

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                                      • #20
                                        Horsegirl - Is Carrera the mare by Contucci?
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