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  • You can lead a horse to water....

    I have a lovely 24 yo DWB FEI Schoolmaster. Last night, I found out a local rider had to cancel her dressage lesson (with our mutual trainer) because her ott tb is lame. He is a first level horse, she a first level rider. I offered my PSG gelding for her to ride. She turned me down, letting herself down IMO. This is not the first time this rider has said no. Okay, she is young... maybe 17. My boy is quiet, well mannered, works over the back from the seat, light in the hand... He's perfect. I don't think these kids understand that it is a rare opportunity to get to ride a horse of this calliber.

    When someone offers you an opportunity like this, TAKE THEM UP ON IT!!!!!!

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    Oh my gosh, I'd be afraid to mess up your horse if it were me! Very nice offer, though

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    • #3
      wow. Raising both hands! Can I come play????

      Seriously now, maybe it's her own insecurities coming out?
      Proud to be owned by Just Walter
      and member of the *Barefoot Eventers Clique*

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      • #4
        I would give my left foot to ride a horse like that!! (Because I'd need my right to drive to your barn )

        But seriously, I have been so so lucky to have been offered the ride on many different horses from very green to accomplished schoolmasters. Each has been such a fantastic learning experience and I certainly hope I've expressed my gratitude to their owners properly.

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          #5
          Originally posted by alacrity View Post
          I would give my left foot to ride a horse like that!! (Because I'd need my right to drive to your barn )

          But seriously, I have been so so lucky to have been offered the ride on many different horses from very green to accomplished schoolmasters. Each has been such a fantastic learning experience and I certainly hope I've expressed my gratitude to their owners properly.
          I love your attitude!

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          • #6
            Wow, lovely opportunity you're giving someone...but I wouldn't take it either.

            I've had enough people at the barn sneer at me that I wasn't "deserving" of a particular horse. I would feel uncomfortable the entire time I rode. Then undoubtedly, someone would feel the need to "help" me by telling me how whatever I did wrong would surely wreck the beautiful schoolmaster.

            I'll just keep ruining my own horse and avoid the controversy...
            Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ambrey View Post
              Oh my gosh, I'd be afraid to mess up your horse if it were me! Very nice offer, though
              My horse is sweet! I worry more about the rider's egos with him. He is wonderful though; he will go perfectly if the rider is perfect. If the rider is less than perfect, he will still offer opportunities for the rider to feel how it should be.

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                #8
                Originally posted by rugbygirl View Post
                Wow, lovely opportunity you're giving someone...but I wouldn't take it either.

                I've had enough people at the barn sneer at me that I wasn't "deserving" of a particular horse. I would feel uncomfortable the entire time I rode. Then undoubtedly, someone would feel the need to "help" me by telling me how whatever I did wrong would surely wreck the beautiful schoolmaster.

                I'll just keep ruining my own horse and avoid the controversy...
                Did you ever ruin a teacher by not knowing the proper answer to a question? Please, for your own sake, if someone offers you an opportunity like this TAKE THEM UP ON IT! They would not offer unless they were sure you and the horse could handle it.

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                • #9
                  It's not them, or the horse...I just really hate the sneers. Really, really, really hate.

                  If it were at a private barn, or someone's house, sure! Anytime! At the big boarding barn where I ride...Nope.

                  Hell, I used to get accused of "ruining" the lesson horses. Once, when I'd been riding a total of...4 weeks (that was about 4 years ago now...I'm practically an expert now ) someone came into the arena where I was practice riding a big old Thoroughbred schoolie. Patient old guy, a joy to ride. We were walking and...big finish...POSTING TROTTING. This woman comes in and BELLOWS at me that my horse isn't tracking up, and if I wasn't going to ride him properly I shouldn't ride at all. I was humiliated. And confused...I was all..."uh, we're on the track? The track around the outside of the ring?"

                  Anyway, since then, a few others have made similar comments...so I only ride my own horse. It's just safer. One of the trainers even started to tell me that my jumping position was wrecking that nice bay TB for his nice owner...and my coach stopped her, telling her "SHE'S THE OWNER!"

                  You can even see the attitude in this forum, fairly often. People are SOOOOOOOOO critical. I don't want to even be accused of "ruining" a $100,000+ horse.
                  Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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                  • #10
                    Wow, I would jump at the chance! I rarely turn down a ride (and only if I feel the horse is dangerous). How generous of you to offer!


                    Originally posted by rugbygirl View Post
                    It's not them, or the horse...I just really hate the sneers. Really, really, really hate.

                    If it were at a private barn, or someone's house, sure! Anytime! At the big boarding barn where I ride...Nope.

                    Hell, I used to get accused of "ruining" the lesson horses. Once, when I'd been riding a total of...4 weeks (that was about 4 years ago now...I'm practically an expert now ) someone came into the arena where I was practice riding a big old Thoroughbred schoolie. Patient old guy, a joy to ride. We were walking and...big finish...POSTING TROTTING. This woman comes in and BELLOWS at me that my horse isn't tracking up, and if I wasn't going to ride him properly I shouldn't ride at all. I was humiliated. And confused...I was all..."uh, we're on the track? The track around the outside of the ring?"

                    Anyway, since then, a few others have made similar comments...so I only ride my own horse. It's just safer. One of the trainers even started to tell me that my jumping position was wrecking that nice bay TB for his nice owner...and my coach stopped her, telling her "SHE'S THE OWNER!"

                    You can even see the attitude in this forum, fairly often. People are SOOOOOOOOO critical. I don't want to even be accused of "ruining" a $100,000+ horse.
                    Wow, that barn sounds like a toxic environment.

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                    • #11
                      ^ great arena, my coach is awesome, and the care can't be beat.

                      Some of the PEOPLE, well, you takes the good and you takes the bad.

                      Just trying to shed light on why some lower-level riders might turn down such a good thing. It probably has nothing to do with the horse OR the OP.
                      Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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                      • #12
                        Ah, be the anti-toxin in the toxic environment.

                        I vote we ship Carol's horse to rugbygirl for a day and then all stand around the arena and tell her what a great job she's doing in a REALLY LOUD VOICE!

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                        • #13
                          ^ aw, I'd see through the insincerity

                          I can't ride for crap. Save the good horses for the good riders. Like my coach said, I'm not exactly a natural talent. I appreciate the chances I've had to ride very talented horses, but the real truth is probably that there are people much more deserving.

                          I do this for fun, and the headaches of some things just aren't worth it. Me and mine will be over there, drinking beer after our test and being thrilled with 7s for our walk Feel free to come join
                          Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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                          • #14
                            Maybe the young rider needs a little more confidence to be able to take someone up on a terrific offer like this.

                            I was reminded quite recently that someones lack of confidence made them feel uncomfortable to use the arena at the same time I was working.

                            As a fellow rider I was so upset that they felt they had to "ask" to use the arena and I hope I rectified the situation.

                            Before you wonder why I have gone on this little story, it is simple. She may be thinking you and your horse are out of her league and you don't realize it.

                            Try making the offer through your coach, maybe let her have a little time to adjust to riding he horse before you pop in to see how the lesson was going.

                            Then again, I maybe living under a rock and the kid may be being ...you know.

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                            • #15
                              I was reminded quite recently that someones lack of confidence made them feel uncomfortable to use the arena at the same time I was working.
                              Yup, I've been that rider too. Even the choice of language here intimidates me. You are a serious rider, at a high level (yeah, I'm assuming) and I'm just a crappy, for-fun Training Level rider out to play while you are there to WORK. Of course I'm going to ask if it bothers you to have me in there! More probably, I'll just go hack around outside instead. Witness the thread in this section on how people "don't know proper ring etiquette" and "get in the way of my lateral work." I'm going to take my COTH knowledge and try to be considerate of you!

                              It might be dumb...but you can't change how us insecure beginners feel if you don't know about it, I guess.
                              Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by rugbygirl View Post
                                I can't ride for crap. Save the good horses for the good riders. Like my coach said, I'm not exactly a natural talent. I appreciate the chances I've had to ride very talented horses, but the real truth is probably that there are people much more deserving.\
                                I think that's missing Carol's point entirely. Good riders become good riders by riding good horses. A schoolmaster can help you grow

                                I think assuming those who are negative are right and those who are positive are insincere is a pretty sad way to live

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                                • #17
                                  Hmm, if you put it like that it does sound sad and pathetic.

                                  Try it this way...

                                  This is my hobby. I have a very demanding job where most of my day is spent fighting uphill battles. I work with many fantastic people, but I am a "fixer" and so generally what I deal with are problems/miscommunications/issues. I get my share of negativity.

                                  When I go to the barn, I go to have fun. Enjoy my horse. Improve over time, sure. I'm competitive and don't like to do things badly...but I can't fight uphill battles all the time. Not at my hobby.

                                  Someone once made the observation, that I was never really going to "fit in" in the English Riding/Equestrian world. I just sort of agreed. I'll never have the free time to spend 5 days a week practicing. I'm lucky to get two trail rides and an arena session in. My horse can go 2 weeks without seeing me. I'm always going to feel like I'm just wasting arena space as long as people like the "tracking up" lady are around. And that lady is EVERYWHERE in the horse world.

                                  You get sick of fighting, you know? Hence why I turned down the opportunity to lease the schoolmaster. True story. Bought my own Off-Chuckwagon Circuit TB instead. I could afford him, and he didn't buck me off. Sold.

                                  I guess this thread just triggered a sore spot with me. There are a lot of reasons that people might turn down that opportunity. I just maybe shed some light on why.
                                  Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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                                  • #18
                                    Generally, I'm with those who would be afraid to screw up the horse...but this sounds like an opportunity to ride it in a lesson with a trainer trusted by all parties, which sounds just about ideal to me!!! Schoolmaster + trainer = heaven. What a kind and generous offer.

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                                    • #19
                                      I also wouldn't have used the word pathetic. I guess I shouldn't have used the word sad either. Just sounds like kind of a downer, and when everyone else is trying to put you down, why help them by putting down yourself?

                                      I totally get you that it should be fun. And I get that you feel no need to defend yourself. Just be a little nicer to yourself.

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                                      • #20
                                        To the OP: That was a really nice offer you made. I wish I was at your barn:-)

                                        To add to the rest of the discussion... It took a long time before I built up enough confidence to have taken up that kind of offer. I remember one of my first lessons as a working student. My trainer yelled to me, "You are sitting on a $50K horse on a $5K saddle. How do you feel?" Well, then I felt even more nervous! Of course that was one of the lowest valued horses there, so I had to get over it pretty quickly:-)

                                        I've learned that there are always going to be toxic people around. Bottom line is they are the ones who are insecure and probably jealous of you for whatever reason. You might not ride as well as they are, but they might feel threatened because you are prettier, nicer, younger, or who knows what. People are ridiculous. I was lucky enough to come across an FEI horse. I immediately fell in love with him. He was given up by another rider who said he was unhappy doing dressage, so was sent to be a trail/pasture horse. I slowly brought him back for 2 years and have never had a partnership like we developed. That horse would do ANYTHING for me. He was my schoolmaster. Other people had gotten violently thrown from him and he never once tried to get rid of me. Heck, I sware at times he read my mind and I didn't use any aids. I took this horse from standing in a field back to being ready to go PSG. Complete strangers would come up to us at shows/clinics and comment on what a treat it was to watch us work together. Of couse, complete strangers also came up to me on occasion and said I had no right to be riding such a nice horse. Um, okay... My conclusion is that if your horse is happy and healthy with you riding it, making progress in a good direction, then you must be doing more right than wrong! Oh gosh, I could go on about other crazy horse people stories. People love to rip me apart, but my horses are some of the happiest around and frequently win at shows:-) To all you less than secure riders, please ignore them and have fun!

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