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For all those who regularly Clinic: Why? Who? Benefits?

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  • For all those who regularly Clinic: Why? Who? Benefits?

    Just a question for all those who regularly clinic—it doesn't matter with who—a couple of questions:

    Why do you do this?
    What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
    What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
    Why do you choose who you choose?
    Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?

    I'm just asking this question for general education ... not for any specific reason.

    And thanks, very much, for your answers.
    "For God hates utterly
    The bray of bragging tongues."
    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

  • #2
    Why do you do this?
    To get out of my comfort zone, puts new eyes on my riding and a chance to meet others who are working hard like me. I go to eventing camp every year and it is by far the best training I get all year. Just really pushes my limits. I always love the dressage work I do at camp. It makes the jumping that much easier when your horse is balanced and supple.
    What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
    New ideas, new tools for my toolbox and new feedback to work on. I expect to be taught, not over praised or patronized.
    What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
    Frankly my strategy is always to go into it with a fresh, open-minded attitude that no matter what happens I will learn something new that will help me in some way no matter how insignificant at the time. If I cry I know it was worth it!
    Why do you choose who you choose?
    I use recommendations from friends and word of mouth. I like to ride with those who actually compete, have a true love of the sport and push me enough to make me be a more thoughtful rider. The camps are always taught by experienced, well-known coaches and riders. I have had a few not-so-great instructors, but I still learned something valuable even if the teaching was less than what I expected.
    Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?
    Steuart Pittman, Jane Savoie, Lucinda Williams, Jimmy Wofford, Lendon Gray, & my current trainer. I can't pick just ONE. There are so many great ones.

    I'm just asking this question for general education ... not for any specific reason.

    And thanks, very much, for your answers.[/quote]

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom View Post
      Just a question for all those who regularly clinic—it doesn't matter with who—a couple of questions:

      Why do you do this?
      What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
      What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
      Why do you choose who you choose?
      Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?

      I'm just asking this question for general education ... not for any specific reason.

      And thanks, very much, for your answers.
      I love to clinic. I love to get my horse off the farm, I love fresh eyes and perspectives, and learning new roads to Rome.

      I expect a respectful clinician that takes me seriously, pushes us and shows us the way. I expect to hear their perception of our strengths and weaknesses and how to highlight and fix same.

      So far, I have actually gotten what I expected. There are some clinicians whose "systems" have not necessarily worked for my horse, but there is always something to learn. The best are those that can adapt their methods to you, not necessarily vice versa.

      I chose who comes around! I will drive a bit, but I can only go so far, right? Luckily, in my area, there are lots of opportunity to ride with many good people.

      I'm riding with Cesar Parra this fall. Can't wait. I would ride with Steffen (again) in a heartbeat. Not that it will ever happen, but I'd sell my mom to ride with Zeilinger. In general, I will give anyone a try, there is not one end-all, be-all.
      From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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        #4
        Thank you both for replying. I was beginning to think I had six heads ... asking such basic questions that everyone thought I was an idiot. Ok, they still may think I'm an idiot () but your answers are dispelling the 6-heads theory.

        I'm asking as I have a young horse that *maybe* I'll be able to send to a clinic. I'm holding my breath,... I don't know if he will get in or not. But I'm hopeful. My horse is 5, so it's not like the clinician can work on passage and piaffe. But I guess I'm hopeful that both he and his trainer will be able to walk away with something,...even if it's just "you're doing great, just continue."

        I'm just not sure I've got the right perspective ... that's why I'm asking.

        Pony & Easy (or anyone else for that matter) have you ever taken a youngster?
        "For God hates utterly
        The bray of bragging tongues."
        Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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        • #5
          Why do you do this?
          I did regular clinics (1x month, but my horse was very recently diagnosed with a bone spavin) as I felt I could benefit more from riding with a retired "R" judge once a month than doing weekly lessons with a local trainer.

          What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
          I expect to work on some of the things I want to improve on as well as things they see that need improvement, to mentally feel that I'm getting somewhere, and I expect the clinician to teach me not based on age (junior rider), but the way I ride and the way that they would teach an adult.

          What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
          I get the feeling again that I'm getting somewhere, I get to work on new things and get new exercises to work on, I get to work on me and not just my horse (I normally train alone).

          Why do you choose who you choose?
          I chose Linda as she has so much experience, because I like the way she teaches and because we have the same views on things (no rolkur, etc.).

          Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?
          If I had to pick just one- Jeremy Steinberg who had the famous GP Thoroughbred, Hawkesbury.
          Originally posted by RugBug
          Don't throw away opportunities because they aren't coming in exactly the form you want them to.

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          • #6
            hey ponyfixer - where is cesar coming? I rode with him several times when he used to come to Honey Locust, and I still think of many of his tips and images.

            Omom - not sure I clinic "regularly" but over the years I have gotten to ride in many! When I have taken youngsters I'm realizing I have mostly if not exclusively taken them to someone I already knew well and had worked with on other horses. Funny, not sure that has been a conscious plan, but it makes sense to me.

            In two of those cases it has been taking young event horses to Jim Wofford clinics, in another case it was taking a young dressage horse to Artur Kottas. Both are trainers I trust to tell me if I'm on the right path, and to suggest exercises appropriate for the horse I'm on.

            Depending on the clinician I probably vary my expectations - I pretty much count on picking up something new for my toolbox/bag of tricks - but actually with the folks I've worked with more it may be more getting confirmation.
            People I know less well are more likely to have a newer perspective for me, or a phrasing I haven't heard that way before, so that can be handy.

            One benefit of taking the youngsters to clinics can be it is a way to get away from home and see how they react and have help handy for working through anything which pops up, rather than being on deadline for a ride time in X minutes... It can also be a great way to get a horse who may be for sale or at stud seen by an interested audience!

            ( Surely by now you know not to expect many answers over the weekend?! )
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              #7
              Originally posted by Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl;
              ( Surely by now you know not to expect many answers over the weekend?! )
              I wasn't sure. I still felt like I had 6 heads.

              The clinic thing has me kind of ... perplexed. One thing I learned by working on Wall Street for almost 15 years was the idea of managing expectations. It's important, IMHO, as that's where so many go wrong...regardless of the subject being studied.

              I mean, if you go to a clinic and expect to walk out a grand prix rider, ... there's a significant problem with your expectations. Ohhhhh yeah. If you go to a clinic with George Morris, and expect gentleness and kindness,... well, that's a different kind of problem.

              Having brought up GM, though, I did send one of my horses and trainers to him ... and I audited. Actually, I was very impressed. GM dealt with some of the issues the horse had ... and gave some very good exercises to take home.

              The clinic I'm HOPING for ... is for my boy who is currently on his way to Devon. So, some guidance, and direction...I guess maybe THAT's what she's looking for. Oh, as far as getting them out and away, he's been going to breed shows since he was a weaner,... so another trailer ride for him is a big *YAWN* ho hum.

              Sorry, I'm rambling. Does any of this make sense?

              Maybe pony had it right ... fresh eyes. New perspective. I'm very much hoping to get them (trainer & horse) into the Lisa Wilcox clinic at the end of October. Hope hope hope hope. I've audited a clinic she gave at Mary Flood's—and was amazed by her immediate focus on basics, even with the GP riders. And, boy, can SHE ride.
              "For God hates utterly
              The bray of bragging tongues."
              Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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              • #8
                There are a couple of clinics listed on the NEDA BB that look interesting. However, at my level I think I'd benefit more from auditing than from actually riding. I've only ridden one clinic, with Linda Zang, and it was a blast. I did get a lot out of it, but given maresy's behavior (I had to struggle to keep her brains in her head), it was more confidence-building than anything else.

                (If anyone has any opinions about clinics coming up in MA/NH this fall, PM me...)
                You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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                • #9
                  Wow Ponyfixer, I don't know if I could actually sell my Mom. When is Cesar coming? I am sure you will have a great session with him. Let us know how it goes?

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                  • #10
                    Yes, my mare went to clinics at 4 years old with me aboard. I think it's great to take them young, because it exposes them to new experiences and perpetuates the work ethic. If you can instill that into the young mind the later work is easier. My new horse is 11 and has been out of work, so this Fall and Winter will be clinics to get us show ready for next season.

                    Of course you aren't getting upper level miracles if he's 5, but certainly a great age to continue on the straight, balanced and obedient theme! I am assuming this horse will be ridden by you, so my suggestion is to pay for yourself to clinic NOT your trainer! Treat yourself girl.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by easyklc View Post
                      I am assuming this horse will be ridden by you, so my suggestion is to pay for yourself to clinic NOT your trainer! Treat yourself girl.
                      Ah, no. This is my main competition horse, and he is ridden by my trainer/rider ... they make an exceptional pair. (Keep you fingers crossed for Devon ... his classes are Wednesday 8:00 and Wednesday 2:00.)

                      MY horse, that I've just started getting in shape hauling my @ss around, in training level.

                      Not the same thing at all... but I'm going to be watching them .... like a hawk!
                      "For God hates utterly
                      The bray of bragging tongues."
                      Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom View Post
                        Pony & Easy (or anyone else for that matter) have you ever taken a youngster?
                        When I lived in VA, I cliniced (sp?) almost monthly with Jim Koford, and also did clinics with CDK, uh, and my brain just died....shoot, a BNT woman...drat. My horse was 5-6 years old.

                        In recent history I had been attending clinics with my 13 yo 3rd/4th level horse (Steffen, others).

                        I now have a youngster again (5), and will be with Cesar Parra this fall. If anyone else comes around I'll try to get in, too.

                        I have found that most good clinicians do not care if you are Training level or GP, if your horse is a 6 mover or an 8, as long as you are willing to work hard and learn. My $.02.
                        From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl View Post
                          hey ponyfixer - where is cesar coming? I rode with him several times when he used to come to Honey Locust, and I still think of many of his tips and images.
                          Well he was supposed to be coming to VaBeach in October (just heard today that it's cancelled), and he's coming to Elizabeth Moore's in November (well, I hope he still is )

                          Originally posted by BZ View Post
                          Wow Ponyfixer, I don't know if I could actually sell my Mom. When is Cesar coming? I am sure you will have a great session with him. Let us know how it goes?
                          Oh, BZ, you know so well that I would have no problem selling my mom. Unfortunately I don't think she'd bring much in the open market
                          From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                          • #14
                            Anyone who doesn't and doesn't believe in it isn't invited to say why, LOL.

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                            • #15
                              Anyone who doesn't and doesn't believe in it isn't invited to say why
                              Awww.You'll have to start your own thread for non believers,slc, something like:

                              For all those who DO NOT regularly Clinic: Why Not? Is it for a religious reason? Who do you not clinic with? What are the Non Benefits? What refreshments would you Not have? What outfit would you wear if you were NOT going to a clinic?

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                              • #16
                                Why do you do this?
                                I have the opportunity to ride with a German trainer (and I am German). I feel that I get *so* much more out of the clinics than regular lessons. It's stertching beyond where I would normally go.

                                What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
                                To be treated like someone who want to go all the way and who is serious about learning.

                                What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
                                A glimpse of what riding at the upper levels will be like . And serious depession the day after clinic when it just doesn't come so magically together without someone going: "straight, leg, half halt, leg, straight, change now!" ; )

                                Why do you choose who you choose?
                                For one, he comes to my barn and I don't have a trailer . But I still wouldn't spend the money if I didn't think I'd learn so much.


                                Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?
                                Steffen Peters
                                "Reite dein Pferd vorwärts und richte es gerade.” Gustav Steinbrecht

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                                • #17
                                  Why do you do this?

                                  I used to ride in clinics and since I had not found a local instructor who I clicked with, I would go to 2 or 3 clinics with clinicians I liked.

                                  In the last year or so, I've been working with one instructor and the consistency in instruction is making a difference. In fact, since I've started riding with her, I've only attended Arthur Kottas and one ride with Scott Hassler, which my instructor watched some and then incorporated that into our work.

                                  What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
                                  I hope to get pushed to try something new. Find the edge of the envelope. And a good experience for both me & my horse.

                                  What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
                                  Usually I get a couple of phrases that are memorable and I can use to remind myself to do while riding alone. Sometimes, absolutely nothing. Sometimes feeling like an utter failure who will never manage to learn to ride.

                                  Why do you choose who you choose?
                                  Word of mouth on most, convenience for others, and filling clinic space for the a few. Facilities wanting health certificates/copies of vaccination records given by vets has made me stop going to some. (I do vaccinate, but like many, do my own)

                                  Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?
                                  Not sure. I used to find clinics to ride in for 75-125, for ride + facility fees. It has gotten to the point where most of them are 150-225 and often will add in a facility fee over and above that. At the lower rates, I always felt I got insight that was at a decent value. At the higher rates, I sometimes think I've overpaid and should just stick to a regular lesson schedule.

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                                    #18
                                    Well, I'm getting a little nervous.

                                    Ms. Wilcox will be able to "feast" her eyes on Mr. Joey (I'm kidding BTW) a week next Monday. I'm very nervous. I don't want her to think my horse is a bone head...even though he might be.

                                    Anyone have any marvellous advice? My trainer hasn't ridden in front of anyone of this (dressage) calibre. Of course, nervous nellie that I am, I've confidently just brushed it off, saying "Oh, heck, you'll be just FINE! I'm sure she's going to LOFF you!"

                                    I am a little nervous as I don't want my horse presented poorly. Any advice, all you clinic goers? I took the GM clinic VERY seriously, and had my baby boy braided for that. Can't do that with Mr. Joey though ... he HATES BRAIDS ... he has to be braided about 5-minutes before he goes in the ring. So ... anyone? He doesn't wear polos when he's working ... so I thought that might be a bad idea...to put polos on him. Anything else?
                                    "For God hates utterly
                                    The bray of bragging tongues."
                                    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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                                    • #19
                                      My only advice is fairly basic and I think your trainer would know to do this anyway - but show up on time, the turnout should be neat, clean, and workmanlike, and the rider should *listen* carefully, only speak when expected to do so, and avoid any talking back or excuses as trainers tend to hate that.

                                      And I wouldn't stress over it. Remember that rank pony Lisa had to get on at Mary's a couple of years ago? She dealt with it fine. I am sure yours won't do anything like that. And bring a video cam if permitted as Lisa is likely to get on him.
                                      Roseknoll Sporthorses
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                                      • #20
                                        >Why do you do this?
                                        To learn new stuff, push things up a notch, that sort of thing.

                                        >What do you EXPECT to get out of it?
                                        If I walk away with one really good exercise, or one really nagging issue on the way to being solved, I feel like I have my money's worth.

                                        >What do you ACTUALLY get out of it?
                                        Usually what I am hoping for, although I've had several quite bad clinics that stepped me back or to the side rather than improving my situation. I tend to try things out even if they are counter-intuitive to me, and sometimes my gut was quite correct in that the person's suggestions or program were NOT good for us. I have left a clinic that was clearly going very badly for my horse (this person had no idea how to work with a TB mare, rather than a more traditional WB type--it was very bad indeed. I said thank you, and removed myself to audit. My other horse would have done well in the clinic, but was home).

                                        >Why do you choose who you choose?

                                        Recommendations from friends or my coach, reading what the person has to say about training and philosophy, knowledge from scribing or auditing.

                                        >Who would be the one person you wouldn't pass up in a million years?

                                        Hmmmmm. That I could not just spout off the top of my head!
                                        Eileen
                                        http://themaresnest.us

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