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  • "Dressaging" the horse you have.

    There have been several threads recently extolling the virtues of one type of horse or another for dressage, with spectacular and exceptional examples of quite unsuitable horses doing quite well.

    It is said the exception proves the rule, and I agree- there are a few individuals in many off breeds that do exceptionally well, even up to national level competition, but the vast majority will never get there. However, since most of us will never own an olympic bred european warmblood started by Anky, and we have the horse we have, lets see how dressage has improved your "off breed".

    Me? currently in my stable there are 3 off breeds:
    1) a percheron/appaloosa/morgan cross who does a nice second level test. There is no doubt that dressage has improved on her training in general, as she is my family horse that anyone can ride, and the obedience demanded by dressage has made her safe even for 9 year old girls and 80 year old ladies to ride.
    2)a purebred appy gelding whose training in dressage has made him a much more comfortable and obedient western pleasure and trail horse for his regular rider
    3) a standardbred pacing mare off the track who has developed a rhythmic trot and has corrected her permenent inverted, one sided-ness through dressage, so far.

    How about you? How has dressage specifically improved your off breed?
    "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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    i too have a standardbred. he was not a pacer tho. but, dressage has taught him collection and how to use his back instead of trotting around with his head in the air.
    be kind to your horses mouth!

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    • #3
      As we are in in the run up to the Olympics, it is time to out myself as Carl Hester. I do love tuning into the "real experts" on here. I did not realise the Draft X was the way forward.

      I will soon be selling all my current GP horses and buying Percheron stallions and Percheron Crosses as clearly I have been doing it all wrong for these last few years.

      I shall make this "Ambrey" person an offer for this superlative Draft Cross as I am sure it is my passport to a medal in 2012.
      .

      CH
      "Chaos, panic and disorder. My work here is done"

      ~Member of the "Addicted to Lessons" clique~

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PaddyUK View Post
        As we are in in the run up to the Olympics, it is time to out myself as Carl Hester. I do love tuning into the "real experts" on here. I did not realise the Draft X was the way forward.

        I will soon be selling all my current GP horses and buying Percheron stallions and Percheron Crosses as clearly I have been doing it all wrong for these last few years.

        I shall make this "Ambrey" person an offer for this superlative Draft Cross as I am sure it is my passport to a medal in 2012.
        .

        CH
        Carl I am a fan of yours. Apparently I'm all wrong about draft crosses, but could you let me know when you're going to unload your GP horses? I'll do you the supreme favor of taking them off your hands. You ship to California right?

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        • #5
          I do love tuning into the "real experts" on here.
          Excellent! Please pm me for anything you would like to know about dressage. I anxiously await educating you.

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          • #6
            Carl, you are SO wrong. It is all about the OTTB.

            Other than that, I like your stuff.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Carolinadreamin' View Post
              Excellent! Please pm me for anything you would like to know about dressage. I anxiously await educating you.
              How could you possibly be an expert? You only have 379 posts!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FancyFree View Post
                How could you possibly be an expert? You only have 379 posts!
                She googles like the wind.
                "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
                  She googles like the wind.
                  No, no. It's a well known fact: The higher the post count, the greater the expert. Carolinadreamin' obviously doesn't spend near enough time on the internet. I will not be going to her for dressage advice.

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                  • #10
                    How about you? How has dressage specifically improved your off breed?

                    My hot as a pistol Big-Lick bred TWH is finally learning he can relax and walk on out, free and loose and reach for the bit. A plain full cheek snaffle. He's finding his flat walk instead of a broken pace. Every now and then, we find his running walk. We don't have another gear between that and a canter. So he's learning how to slow down and balance me at a canter, not just rocket around inverted. The TWH and other WH associations have modified the USDF tests to replace any trotting with the various walks, and we'll compete where we can. Down the line we'll nail lead changes. I can't WAIT. This is a horse that anyone who knows TWHs, would write off as an idiot for his bloodlines and their propensity for being idiots. Nice. He's a wonderful horse and dressage helped me help him.

                    We'll never trot, LOL, but boy oh BOY at the WALK on that horse. mm mm good.

                    So no, you'll not find us at any 'real' dressage competitions, but he's MY dressage horse. If that bothers anyone, welp, that wouldn't be my problem, now would it ? LOL

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                    • #11
                      Carolinadreamin' obviously doesn't spend near enough time on the internet. I will not be going to her for dressage advice.
                      Darn you, Fancy Free! I must go google and then start posting madly to increase my count.

                      If that bothers anyone, welp, that wouldn't be my problem, now would it ? LOL
                      That's a good point. If you're happy with your horse and appreciate, recognize and utilize his/her talents, then that's what it's all about. I don't understand how some go around with a chip on their shoulder about their horse(s). Does the horse satisfy you and meet your goals and purposes? If so, great. Who cares what everyone else thinks. But don't go and try to convince, via argument, that your horse can do X when in reality it can only do Z. Prove it via the riding, not the online posting.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
                        3) a standardbred pacing mare off the track who has developed a rhythmic trot and has corrected her permenent inverted, one sided-ness through dressage, so far.
                        This. Exactly. But we're still working on the one-sidedness.

                        But I have noticed that his neck is no longer "upside-down" and is actually starting to look.... nice.

                        Also, last night for the first time ever he volunteered canter strides (a HUGE deal for him for anyone who remembers me constantly posting about him). And the first few were actually very nice.

                        I thought, "Holy Crap, he might make a nice riding horse yet!!"

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                        • #13
                          I have a QH, TB, percheron, arab cross mare that is a paint color. She scores low 70's at training/first (we event). Anyways she is not going any further so it looks like she is going to be sold by the Oct. 1st. Really sweet girl I will miss her but her new home is fab and she will have a nice life teaching little kids the ropes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FancyFree View Post
                            No, no. It's a well known fact: The higher the post count, the greater the expert. Carolinadreamin' obviously doesn't spend near enough time on the internet. I will not be going to her for dressage advice.

                            Egads, you don't think it means that she's actually been out riding all this time instead of posting about it!?
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                            • #15
                              I confess that my early horses were not improved by "my" dressage. I lacked skill and knowledge. As I've gained experience through the years, I have been able to improve run-of-the-mill horses, both mine and those of students.

                              The bunch of us, my students and me, can't afford anything fancy. I work with rescue horses, "off breeds", and backyard riders exclusively. This has its own challenges and rewards.

                              The most spectacular example is probably the lady with the rescue Arab, who in his past life was a Park Horse, then a failed school horse. He was a basket case who could not tolerate any contact with the bit, inverted, tense, fearful. Four years of patient work (hats off to his owner -- she never gave up!) and now he can go on the bit, is obedient, happy and calm.

                              I have four students with purebred drafts or draft crosses. The draft, a Shire, we laughingly call the "Andalusian on steroids". When she's on, she's really ON, and looks fantastic! She may have limitations, but the work has improved her rideability beyond what I would have expected. I have not worked with any of the draft crosses as consistently as the purebred.

                              Another, a Freisian/Morgan cross, was a bundle of nerves when his owner began work with me. He's learning to relax, to stretch, to listen more to the rider's seat, rather than being crunched together between a clenched fist and clenched leg.

                              Another, a Paint, could kick butt if the owner ever wanted to take up dressage (she rides Western) and show. She just wants to work on his obedience and so forth. No showing in the plans, dangit! When she came to me, she had issues of her own, due to Erb's Palsey. The rider has gained improved strength and control over her affected side, and the horse has improved consequently.

                              Often, it's the rider's issues that are a bigger factor than the horse's issues in terms of progress.

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                              • #16
                                I went through 3rd level and achieved my Bronze medal on a 1/2quarter and 1/2paint tb cross that I home bred. When I started him in Dressage I was a novice rider, but, I had already seen enough abuse in training western pleasure to know that I didn't want to go that route with my youngster. Fortunately I found and worked with a couple of very excellent instructors along the way. Not only did my horse do well but when leaving the show arena for the last time he became a wonderful schoolmaster and taught several young riders confidence. He is still my "best bud".

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                                • #17
                                  I love my boy, he is morganxappendix. He was a 13 year old trail horse that spooked all the time and would throw people and pop up as well as buck. Come to find out all he needed was a rider that didn't bounce all over him and didn't hold his mouth all the time. One that gave him confidence also. Did I mention these were unguided trail rides also. He wouldn't cross water, would rear or back like crazy, wouldn't cross a bridge either. Now he loves the water, lays in it, puts his whole face in it and goes right thru it and also doesn't mind a bridge of any kind. He went like a giraffe and didn't know he had a back end except to buck. He hadn't contact and was scared of it, I'm guessing from everyone hanging on his mouth. Now he is amazing thru dressage. Granted we are smurfs but when we come out of training level with high 60's low 70's you can't bet the feeling. We have worked hard and hope for 1st level next year
                                  Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by PaddyUK View Post
                                    As we are in in the run up to the Olympics, it is time to out myself as Carl Hester. CH
                                    well, it's time to out myself as Reiner Klimke. I've been enjoying the experts on coth from my cloud for some time now. occasionally, I pipe in with a smart remark, but really, I'm too busy up here riding all the great horses to spend too much time on coth.

                                    P.S. also, internet connection up here sucks. Gotta go ride Ahlerich now. Tschuess!

                                    RK

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                                    • #19
                                      Before:
                                      Video Sept'08
                                      Pic Oct '08



                                      After:
                                      Pic May '09
                                      Video Aug '09

                                      He is actually doing more than what the last video shows and is schooling up to some second level stuff plus lead changes.

                                      It is not necessary to buy something expensive and branded to get the feet wet in lower dressage and crack the 1L barrier. I have learned a TON from this horse!
                                      The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                                      Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                                      Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                                      The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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                                      • #20
                                        Its the only reason I have any interest in dressage actually. I just want to teach my horses to be forward, straight and obedient, and develop their muscles evenly.

                                        The showing, scheduled ride times, more comfy saddle, and tails are just gravy.
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