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  • The wisdom (or lack of) riding with side reins off the longe

    [Mod note: Original OP of this thread by hitchinmygetalong, prior to posts being moved from other thread:

    Not to derail a perfectly good thread, I noticed on a photo posted recently that a horse was being ridden with side reins by a student in what I assume was a dressage lesson. It was mentioned that this is a decidedly bad idea.

    Could you please explain to me why?

    Thanks!]


    [The following is the post by Ambrey that prompted this discussion orginally:]

    My daughter is having a blast learning basics on her 1/2 welsh hony, and he's really coming along in training now.

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    Ambrey, what the heck is that pony wearing? It's hard to see but there are double reins, a flash and sidereins? What level is the pony training at?

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      Originally posted by egontoast View Post
      Ambrey, what the heck is that pony wearing? ... there are double reins, a flash and sidereins?
      That's how it appeared to me too, and I thought I must be mistaken. It also appears the side reins are attached to the curb rein and low on the girth-severe in either case. That is either a very very tiny child or that p/h-ony is a horse about 15.2 hh. It doesn't appear to be dressage either, in that get up. Isn't this a thread about dressage ponies?
      "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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        #4
        Originally posted by egontoast View Post
        Ambrey, what the heck is that pony wearing? It's hard to see but there are double reins, a flash and sidereins? What level is the pony training at?
        You know I train in the pelham dressage capital of the world. Our motto "love in every heart, a pelham in every tack box." Or something like that, I forget

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        • #5
          A pelham is not a bit for proper dressage training any more than a 15.1 horse is a pony. Enough already.

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            #6
            We shall have to agree to disagree, on a lot of things.

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            • #7
              Please, for safety's sake, read this concerning riding with side reins:
              http://www.equisearch.com/horses_rid...e/eqreins2640/
              It's quite dangerous, for both horse and rider. Side reins are made and attached specifically for lungeing and not riding.
              Or you can read up on it in a variety of other equine training books or magazine articles. It simply isn't safe enough to consider using as a tool for a rider. Most especially not for a child.
              You jump in the saddle,
              Hold onto the bridle!
              Jump in the line!
              ...Belefonte

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                The wisdom (or lack of) riding with side reins

                Not to derail a perfectly good thread, I noticed on a photo posted recently that a horse was being ridden with side reins by a student in what I assume was a dressage lesson. It was mentioned that this is a decidedly bad idea.

                Could you please explain to me why?

                Thanks!
                "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                • #9
                  Please don't derail this informative thread. Take the side-rein arguments here.

                  Thanks!
                  "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                    #10
                    Exactly the same reason the SRS uses them.

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                    • #11
                      Ambrey, it was an honest question. I could not figure out what I was seeing. So it's a pelham with a flash and side reins?

                      What is the thinking there? I'm not rabidly anti pelham in some circumstances but have never seen one with a flash and side reins. What issues would require this? Also, on the lunge, do you need all this?

                      I would really like to know why this would be done. perhaps there is a good reason .

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                      • #12
                        Exactly the same reason the SRS uses them.
                        And what reason would that be exactly?

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                        • #13
                          because it allows a learning rider (leaning how to sit on a horse, have independent seat etc) to concentrate of learning to ride without having to worry about keeping the horse on the bit and round - which by the way allows the rider a place to sit, a swinging back, ease of aiding etc etc.

                          in other words: learning to ride is a lot easier on a horse that is together and going correctly. however, a learning rider does not have the skill to keep a horse together.

                          hence side reins.

                          nothing nefarious about it!

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                          • #14
                            Ambrey's daughter's (my granddaughter) hony is training under an extremely competent trainer and all the tack is as he requests.
                            The hony fights keeping in frame, so with the side reins she can develop softer hands.
                            The hony tends to get the bit under his tongue, thus the flash. She longes this way, and, part of the time, rides this way, under the trainer's supervision.
                            The hony has a mind of his own, although he seems to like his "job" better these days, and we hope the need for side reins will go away.
                            He's very forward... and needs the Pelham to keep his attention while on his job.
                            Literature is mostly about having sex and not much about having children. Life is the other way round.
                            David Lodge

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                            • #15
                              Ambrey's daughter's (my granddaughter) hony is training under an extremely competent trainer and all the tack is as he requests.
                              The hony fights keeping in frame, so with the side reins she can develop softer hands.
                              The hony tends to get the bit under his tongue, thus the flash. She longes this way, and, part of the time, rides this way, under the trainer's supervision.
                              The hony has a mind of his own, although he seems to like his "job" better these days, and we hope the need for side reins will go away.
                              He's very forward... and needs the Pelham to keep his attention while on his job.
                              Sorry, but this shows a lcomplete lack of understanding of dressage training. If you don't believe me, maybe check with someone you admire who has successfully trained dressage horses up the levels.

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                                Originally posted by mbm View Post
                                because it allows a learning rider (leaning how to sit on a horse, have independent seat etc) to concentrate of learning to ride without having to worry about keeping the horse on the bit and round - which by the way allows the rider a place to sit, a swinging back, ease of aiding etc etc.

                                in other words: learning to ride is a lot easier on a horse that is together and going correctly. however, a learning rider does not have the skill to keep a horse together.

                                hence side reins.

                                nothing nefarious about it!
                                Thank you, MBM. Not only that, it allows a pony with a very sensitive mouth to not be bumped when said learning rider is learning something new (like, in this case, canter transitions that don't include "kick kick kick!"). Side reins are only during sessions in a controlled environment with the trainer, sometimes on a longe and sometimes off.

                                These photos were not of dressage training for the horse. She's not a trainer, she's 12. However, if you'd seen inverted llama pony a year ago vs. now, and if you could see him going along so nicely with said learning rider and just being so good to her, or if you could see him stretch over the topline, really get under himself and go forward, you'd know that dressage training is turning him into a different horse (and her into a different rider).

                                Yes, he is sometimes schooled in a pelham. No, he is never schooled under saddle in side reins, draw reins, a running martingale, etc. Being schooled in a pelham will probably be why he and my daughter never make FEI

                                Oh, sorry, no he's not a pony. Tiny kid, he's around 15hh.

                                p.s. the flash- yes, he puts his tongue over the bit. I try to keep it loose enough so that he can eat hay, but not do the tongue thing- this is something he's done in every bit I've ever had him in. If you have other suggestions I'd love to hear them.
                                Last edited by Ambrey; Sep. 6, 2009, 06:56 PM.

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                                • #17
                                  hey egon - l honestly , i am not sure about others, but i am really tired of reading you attacking various posters relentlessly. we get the point. really we do.

                                  as for your latest missive - it's a kid. and kids need to be safe. the horse looks as if it is going fairly well and the kid looks to have very nice hands.

                                  can't you just play nice once in a while? the board would be a better place if you did.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by egontoast View Post
                                    Sorry, but this shows a lcomplete lack of understanding of dressage training. If you don't believe me, maybe check with someone you admire who has successfully trained dressage horses up the levels.
                                    egon, I answered your questions in the other thread.

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                                    • #19
                                      Um...Woodcat, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "hony" is not a cutsey horse-related word. There's a reason people snicker at you when you use it.

                                      www.urbandictionary.com and make sure your granddaughter is unable to read the computer screen.
                                      I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right
                                      Violence doesn't end violence. It extends it. Break the cycle.

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                                      • #20
                                        mbm, I expressed my comments in a respectful manner. The 'child' is not the one making the decsions.

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