• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

2nd suggestion from "Paul H" for your consideration

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 2nd suggestion from "Paul H" for your consideration

    he writes

    "Has it also ever been considered that a drawing take place, which effectively chooses the exercises which would receive a co-efficient for any given high level competition? The drawing results would only be known to the show officials and the technical delegate, not to the National Federations, competitors or Ground Jury (judges). This system would basically cause competitors to strive for proficiency in ALL test exercises, from the halt, to the canter pirouettes due to the fact that they do not know which exercises will have a greater weight placed on the score (co-efficient of 2). It is unavoidable that we will have judges originating from the same countries as some competitors, but this system may help alleviate some of the temptations of prejudice on the part of some judges. Judges are just people after all. Anything done to ensure the future of Dressage (as well as several other equestrian sports), and to help it be received by a greater mass of people, should seriously be considered. After all, if that aforementioned task is not the responsibility of the FEI, then why does the FEI exist?"

    -- again, interesting idea - though I find this one much more problematic -- what say you?
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

  • #2
    So if a judge does not want a competitor to advance (however subconscious the prejudice may be), the judge 'sees' a movement at 4 or less?

    Great idea.

    And yah, I really really think a lot of top sport competitors never try to improve their partners' weak points, figuring so long as they can get 9s for the good stuff, so what if they blow something else...hello? lateral and longitudinal suppleness and strength are all inter-related ,along with balance and rhythm. That's like saying Rafael Soto never worked to improve Invasor's extensions ,simply because he could gets 9s on the 3 Ps of GP dressage. The 3 Ps were great because of the horse's basic development. The extensions were limited by conformation/ ability to stretch over the topline.
    How WISE of Soto not to constantly nag at and overface and frustrate his partner!

    Sorry, but I do not think Paul H trains horses. Rides--maybe.
    Trains-- not.
    one oak, lots of canyons



    • #3
      actually, i had to read this a couple times to get what he was saying....

      he is not saying that the competitors train only the stuff that get 2x.

      he is saying that the JUDGES use the co-efficients to manipulate scores. so if l the judges are unaware of which movement is the co-efficient they cant use it to effect the score.

      interesting idea......


      • #4
        The trouble is that the test writers worked very hard on what to put coefficients on, because they believed certain things MUST carry coefficients because those things are extremely important in demonstrating the basic correctness of the horse's training. There's the problem with that one. What coefficients are placed on and why is a very critical part of test design for it to be a representative of training.


        • #5
          Originally posted by slc2 View Post
          The trouble is that the test writers worked very hard on what to put coefficients on, because they believed certain things MUST carry coefficients because those things are extremely important in demonstrating the basic correctness of the horse's training. There's the problem with that one. What coefficients are placed on and why is a very critical part of test design for it to be a representative of training.


          • #6
            Yes, I absolutely agree with what flyracing quoted slc as writing. There's a reason that the coefficients are where they are.
            Donald Trump - proven liar, cheat, traitor and sexual predator! Hillary Clinton won in 2016, but we have all lost.


            • #7
              Absolutely agreed with SLC, but I'll add my 2 cents... the problem I see with this kind of random reward system is that it can potentially penalize horses' historical records simply due to the fact that the coefficient draw didn't go their way. There aren't many horses that can do every movement to the same standard, and most only compete at the top for a short space of time, so if they got unlucky with the 'mystery coefficient' then their scores wouldn't accurately reflect their quality. Have we really got to the point where we're trying to formally introduce the element of luck into dressage competitions??


              • #8
                Here's a stupid story with a point. Once I worked at school who had a "critter camp." On the weekends, the kids got to check out the animals. Everyone made a rush for certain animals, the parents were shoving and pushing in the hallways, the kids were crying and it was a real zoo.

                So, I instituted a lottery system with a drawing for the best pets. It only took one day for the parents to complain and the principal shut it down with the complaint, "the lottery system is not fair!"

                It's a creative idea but way too random. The coefficients are there for a reason, as slc says.