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  • Robert Dover offers challenge to COTHers

    Robert Dover posted the following on his Dover's World blog at http://www.doversworld.com and just emailed me permission to post it here:

    "Calling All Bloggers - A challange
    Rarely do I venture over to sites where I have in the past felt that the blogs had a somewhat negative spirit to them. But, every once in a while someone will mention that a particular post is running on one of them that I have an interest in, so a couple of clicks later and there I am, reading stuff I can barely believe people have the nerve to write.
    Of course, they almost never have peoples’ real names signed at the bottom, something which I require on my own site; however, this isn’t truly what gets me going. What I just do not understand is that, knowing that all they would have to do is simply go to DoversWorld.com and click on “Questions and Comments” and ask me directly something like for instance, ” Exactly what does the FEI Dressage Task Force hope to achieve with the up-coming Dressage Judging Systems Trials being held September 7-9 in Aachen?” Instead, “herd members” place their theories, most of them without much fact to back them up, as to exactly what will take place and the probable results.

    So here is my challange to all those “nerds”, Ultimate or Chrono. Ask me anything and I promise to give you an honestg answer, whether you like it or not. If I can help peop-le to understand better any issues they are unclear on about this or anything else I have knowledge of (and it’s not so much- believe me!), I will do my best to help.

    Cheers!

    RD"
    Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

  • #2
    Well, since nobody else has responded to this since 5:42 pm ... and, I'm just getting ready to go to bed, so I won't see what anyone else posts ... I just have to say this:

    Whether you agree with him or not, whether you think he's the best thing for dressage since sliced bread or not, at least he's right out there. You know who he is and he's willing to explain, or try to, any of his ideas/thoughts/whatever about the FEI Task Force.

    IMHO, that deserves some respect, whether you agree with him or not.
    "For God hates utterly
    The bray of bragging tongues."
    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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    • #3
      Wow...I respect him now more than ever.
      "I was not expecting the park rangers to lead the resistance, none of the dystopian novels I read prepared me for this but cool."

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      • #4
        not to be a negative nelly, but there have been several questions (regarding rollkur, etc) on his blog that he hasn't answered in a straightforward way - more in a political way... of course i dont blame him, given who he is....

        but if you are going to say you are going to honestly answer all questions, then i think you need to do it.

        eta to add, i agree that the internet can get very nasty very quickly due to anonymity, but i am not sure his site is any less anonymous as any other? how does he require real names?




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        • #5
          He apparently did not consider that most of us probably never realized he even had a blog.
          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mbm View Post
            not to be a negative nelly, but there have been several questions (regarding rollkur, etc) on his blog that he hasn't answered in a straightforward way - more in a political way... of course i dont blame him, given who he is....

            but if you are going to say you are going to honestly answer all questions, then i think you need to do it.
            Maybe that's how he really feels? Maybe he's kind of equivocal?

            Not everyone has strong feelings about rollkur either way

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            • #7
              I think it was very brave to write, Robert. I too don't understand why there are not a zillion replies to your post.

              This particular forum can be frought with armchair quarterbacks, wannabes as well as very well educated, brilliant riders/students of the discipline, though I see less of them these days as I "lurk"..Ideayoda, Rebecca Yount, LTW, etal). That's sad. Yet they love the sport and want to "DO IT"...thus they kabbitz about every detail. And they keep pursuing the discussion as if it nuclear science.

              Dressage, for some reason, seems to create jealousy more than any other of the sports. Though it's all about the same precision and connection needed for a showjumper to take flight, letting the horse "go" in that moment that may put the rider at risk, as those who pursue dressage for hobby/enjoyment don't quite understand the feel it takes to put a horse that put that same inborn energy and put it "on the spot". Clearly, not all horses have the conformation to do this and I see that most "plain ol' horse" owners who may have not purchased a $100K dressage prospect can be intimidated. But as we both know dressage is about training the basics...no matter the chosen discipline far and away from FEI dressage. Good for the horse, good for the rider.

              Didn't mean to ramble, but I'm glad you posted. You might have to take some questions here before they hop to your blog.

              Best,

              Susan
              www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
              "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
              Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ambrey View Post
                Maybe that's how he really feels? Maybe he's kind of equivocal?

                Not everyone has strong feelings about rollkur either way
                have you read his blog?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mbm View Post
                  have you read his blog?
                  In the past I have, but not today.

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                  • #10
                    Well, since he engaged COTH dressager...let's put him "on the spot" a term I know a competitor of his caliber will surely appreciate..

                    Surely a rider/competitor of his stature is being very nice by reaching out to find out why all the vitriolic dialogue about the sport..no?

                    My ears are open.
                    www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
                    "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
                    Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

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                      #11
                      Guys, he is NOT going to come to COTH (or the other board) and engage in these threads. If you have a specific question, go to HIS website and ASK.
                      Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sid View Post
                        I think it was very brave to write, Robert. I too don't understand why there are not a zillion replies to your post.

                        This particular forum can be frought with armchair quarterbacks, wannabes as well as very well educated, brilliant riders/students of the discipline, though I see less of them these days as I "lurk"..Ideayoda, Rebecca Yount, LTW, etal). That's sad. Yet they love the sport and want to "DO IT"...thus they kabbitz about every detail. And they keep pursuing the discussion as if it nuclear science.

                        Dressage, for some reason, seems to create jealousy more than any other of the sports. Though it's all about the same precision and connection needed for a showjumper to take flight, letting the horse "go" in that moment that may put the rider at risk, as those who pursue dressage for hobby/enjoyment don't quite understand the feel it takes to put a horse that put that same inborn energy and put it "on the spot". Clearly, not all horses have the conformation to do this and I see that most "plain ol' horse" owners who may have not purchased a $100K dressage prospect can be intimidated. But as we both know dressage is about training the basics...no matter the chosen discipline far and away from FEI dressage. Good for the horse, good for the rider.

                        Didn't mean to ramble, but I'm glad you posted. You might have to take some questions here before they hop to your blog.

                        Best,

                        Susan
                        Susan - Robert didn't post on this board. You'll need to go to his site to dialogue with him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tiligsmom View Post
                          Susan - Robert didn't post on this board. You'll need to go to his site to dialogue with him.
                          That's way too bad...I, for one, would log on daily (hourly) to see RD take on some of the posters here ....(sincerely!)

                          He could use an alter...preferably something pretty transparent...
                          Robert Driver?
                          Bobby Drover?
                          Roberto Doverte?

                          Oh come on...just once ....
                          * <-- RR Certified Gold Star {) <-- RR Golden Croissant Award
                          Training Tip of the Day: If you can’t beat your best competitor, buy his horse.
                          NO! What was the question?

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                          • #14
                            As one of the 'nerd herd', I have to ask: why should WE even have to ask for this information / an explanation? It is the FEI's duty to its membership to be transparent and forthcoming with information.

                            *star*
                            "Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit."
                            - Desiderata, (c) Max Ehrman, 1926

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                            • #15
                              If Robert can come over here and feel unnerved about some of the posts, then he can address those posts directly *here*. Directing people to his personal website isn't the answer. Yes, people are technically anonymous here but I venture to guess that the vast majority of posters are known by quite a number of other COTHers and many have their websites attached to their posts via the tagline. It is hardly a totally anonymous list.

                              ETA: As an official "nerd" and "herd member" and "nerd herd member" I can happily explain to RD the rationale and chain of logic of any of my points of view that I have signed my name to. He need only ask.

                              J.
                              Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

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                              • #16
                                (no disrespect to the nerd herd...that isn't what I meant )
                                * <-- RR Certified Gold Star {) <-- RR Golden Croissant Award
                                Training Tip of the Day: If you can’t beat your best competitor, buy his horse.
                                NO! What was the question?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by J-Lu View Post
                                  If Robert can come over here and feel unnerved about some of the posts, then he can address those posts directly *here*. Directing people to his personal website isn't the answer. Yes, people are technically anonymous here but I venture to guess that the vast majority of posters are known by quite a number of other COTHers and many have their websites attached to their posts via the tagline. It is hardly a totally anonymous list.

                                  ETA: As an official "nerd" and "herd member" and "nerd herd member" I can happily explain to RD the rationale and chain of logic of any of my points of view that I have signed my name to. He need only ask.

                                  J.
                                  Yup....totally agree!

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                                  • #18
                                    This assumes that Robert is the Voice of Dressage. He is a voice of dressage, not the voice. I concur that if Robert has comments on opinions on this bb he should address them on this bb. If his comments refer to the "nerd herd" who did the performance rule change evaluation then he is very mistaken and maybe out of his league. They wrote up a logical and factual report and I wonder if he read it.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ShotenStar View Post
                                      As one of the 'nerd herd', I have to ask: why should WE even have to ask for this information / an explanation? It is the FEI's duty to its membership to be transparent and forthcoming with information.

                                      *star*
                                      I have to admit when I read the comments, it does seem like he is calling out the very people that are asking for transparency, and although I am not one of the brilliant minds, I am proud to be a small part of what the "nerd herd" did. My name is too, on the pages, I am not hiding behind anything.

                                      I agree with star, I want the information. I don't like being fed something just because someone said eat it regardless of who gave it to me. I want to learn, explain it and have facts not arbitrary comments based on feeling or opinion.

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                                        #20
                                        The "pack of dogs" mentality here amazes me sometimes.

                                        Dover has no duty or obligation to show up here to respond to anything said here. He has offered to respond honestly to direct questions placed to him in an upfront manner by a real person who is not hiding behind any screen name. Why not take him up on it instead of attacking him for not being willing to engage in an anonymous cyber food fight here?
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