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  • #2
    I do think the new 90 is the old 80...... What's your opinion?
    Siegi Belz
    2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
    Dutch Warmbloods Made in the U. S. A.


    • #3
      Well, I don't know because I didn't get to see the rides because FEItv repeatedly denied me access to a day pass. Grrrrrr.


      • #4
        if only Totilas had a decent walk he might get a decent score


        • #5
          Sonesta, how great that you were there to see it!!!


          • #6
            Wow! Amazing score.


            • #7
              I can't believe it!


              • #8
                wow. what are they going to do in a year when he is stronger? give him 110%?

                and now that i have seen the vid... all i can say is:not my cup of tea, and if that is what the future of top dressage is - it isnt something i will aspire too.

                and before anyone lambasts me - yeah yeah, the horse is talented.... but the manner in which he is ridden just leaves me cold. honest to god it is (1970s) park horse doing dressage. how sad.

                eta: i guess the meaning of "dressage" has changed - i prefer horse going how they did 15 + years ago where the horse had more freedom, more usage of their neck, more harmony, where it looked more like a partnership and a dance rather than a horse crammed together and being forced to do as its rider demands. (please see rides from Klimke, et al)

                The feel is just so different - so many rides of the past would leave me in tears from joy - now i watch many of these rides and want to cry for what we have lost and how cold and hard and pumped it all looks and feels.

                eXtrmeStreSSage all the way.

                ok, i am done - i will go crawl back under my rock.


                • Original Poster

                  As those of you who know me will readily attest, I am not easily impressed. That horse is freaking amazing. When he enters the ring you hear the crowd colletively catch their breath.

                  For those thinking he is some sort of flamboyant leg mover with no use of his back (as some of his photos imply) let me set you straight. He moves completely through up and over his back. He just actually DOES have that much freedom and movement in his hocks and shoulders. And he seems happy and pleasant and workmanlike. Not tense and stressed like Salinero.

                  I was blown away and thrilled to have been there.

                  Parzival is also a treat to watch. But the horse that got my vote as the horse I think I would most like to ride was the last to go tonight. Victoria Max-Theurer's horse Augustin. Was a lovely animal.

                  I took tons of pictures, but don't have a way to upload them now. Will be home Tuesday and will upload some then if anyone is interested.

                  Coreene, I got you a very dark navy blue (almost black) cap from the games. The only other option was very hot pink. You just don't seem like a pink kinda girl to me.
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                  • #10
                    I agree that he looks like a Park Horse doing Dressage. I do not like watching him and I do not like the manner in which he is ridden. But that is just my humble opinion.

                    However, I do applaud the team for how well they are doing. I am glad that the judges like them enough to give out these record scores.

                    I hope they do keep doing well, and I am sure he is quite happy with his mount.
                    I told you: "inside leg to outside rein, not inside leg to outside rail!"


                    • Original Poster

                      Hey, I have been around park horses for years. He is NOTHING like a park horse. He uses his body correctly for dressage. It is just over the top in movement. It is almost freaky. A friend two days ago said he must be bionic!
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                      • #12
                        is there any place on the web where one can watch the rides? Could anyone post a link? Otherwise, I gotta wait for the DVD to come out, if they'll even sell it in the US (sigh..)


                        • #13


                          (and i said 1970s park.... not the park of today..)

                          eta again to say..... whether or not he uses his body correctly - he is held extremely tight in the neck, he is not in any way shape or form reaching for the bit, he is tense, and for his record breaking scores there are a lot of basic issues like swinging hind quarters, landing with both hind legs at eh same time in the changes etc etc.

                          i will give him the CPs - those are impressive.

                          i have this weird voice in my head saying: it is all planned - it was time for AVG to retire and they wanted to popularize dressage (ie make more money) so they thought it would be good to have horses breaking scores all over the place and have new riders who more (younger) might identify with ..... plus riders that dont have a ton of $$ etc.

                          it all plays just too perfectly for my taste (yeah, i am more than a tad jaded)

                          k, now i am really done


                          • #14
                            Just Wow!

                            Totilas Kur:



                            • #15
                              Well just fr5eeking amazing it is and fun to stand in a sea of orange today amongst fellow crazy Dutchman..... I do not know if he deserved a record 29 10's but he deserved a top score The most unusual thing I have seen in dressage, maybe ever.JMHO.
                              Sonesta are you watching the jumping tomorrow?
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                              • #16
                                I bit the bullet and gave the FEI some $$ ($ US 15.99) for a day pass for the livestream on FEItv.org..and watched most of the kur rides.

                                Watching Totilas just gave me chills...the horse is so loose in the body, so strong and clear in the mind, and Edward Gal such a lovely rider...collect/extend/effortless, pirouettes in a wonderful tempo maintained before and after, pure canter beat, and just truly unbelievable piaffe, passage AND transitions. ANd of course, the floppy-eared walk out of the arena, accepting the applause as his due.

                                Yes: another year, and this young horse will be stronger and then the trot extensions will match (hopefully) the work named above. If there had been no error in the changes today, the score would have been closer to 93,and every single point well-earned.

                                Parzival was also quite amazing, it is easily the best I have seen Adelinde Cornelissen ride, but she is (not yet) anywhere near the experience of Edward Gal--or Anky.
                                Nevertheless, Parzival is possessed of enormous charm and physical ability,and her new music and harder choreography were a good showcase.

                                For me, ANky today gave a masterclass in what training can and will accomplish, under optimal circumstances.

                                (And saying that sentence will of course polarize everyone, but honestly--this was stated by the judges, so blame everyone else,not just me).

                                ANd there were great moments in other rides as well: Susanne Lebek on the wonderfully elegant firebreathing Potomac, her stallion that is about 50% TB blood--the most gorgeous changes and some extremely high quality work, I think the best maybe the horse has ever gone.

                                Augustin and Vici Max-Theurer--she is so young and yet such an old horseman's ride she gave this incredible horse! She gave him the ride he needed--steady, convincing, gaining his trust with every aid, and she finished in 5th, without really going for max!!

                                anyway, well worth the $16...

                                adding: on one of these threads, someone said that I am a "know-it-all"...and let me be the first to point out where I was wrong:

                                I said a while ago that Totilas would not have the really wonderful big walk that some of the other horses have (Mistral Hojris, Sterntaler).

                                Well, I was wrong. Toto has EVERYTHING!!!! and got scores today from the judges for all the gaits.

                                one oak, lots of canyons



                                • #17
                                  Wow, that was lovely. Thank you for posting the video!


                                  • Original Poster

                                    He did have a mistake in the tempis. Imagine what his score might have been without them. And from my seat, I was not seeing much tension - concentration, yes. And lots of exertion as one would expect from such work. But I wasn't seeing negative tension (i.e. stress or resistance).
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                                    • #19
                                      thanks for the link - just watched. Lovely hoss, awsome. I'm not expert enough to get smart-alecki on scoring etc, but what's with that extended trot? It looked all out there in front, but was he barely tracking up behind?

                                      Even so, awesome. I bet people will now run down the barn for his semen (Totilas', not Edward's - although maybe both?!)


                                      • Original Poster

                                        Edgar, wish I'd known you were here. Were you one of the weirdos in all the orange costumes? Just kidding. I've been there every day all day and into the night. I'm taking tomorrow off and resting up for the trip home.

                                        Hey, I though Lantinus would be competing. What happened?
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