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  • USDF All Breeds question

    Im not sure if this has been asked and answered already but im having a tough time finding an answer on the USDF website..

    My horse is declared for All Breeds and we've met the qualifying criteria for our level. Once you met that criteria, 8 tests etc. etc., how do they calculate in additional tests? For example, i've got 10 tests at this level. Do they take the scores from the 10 tests add them up and divide by 10? Or do they drop the highest and lowest scores?

    Sorry if this is a repeat and thanks for any help.

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    The best I remember, is that they take a median score, but there is a rule about dropping a score, if you have scores from the same judge. I think that you can have 2 scores from the same judge, but if you have 3 scores, they drop one of them (maybe the last earned on, I can't remeber).

    So wright down all your scores in order and wright a line thru the highest and lowest score, then the next highest and lowest score until you get to either one or two scores. If you get one score - that is the score, if there are two scores, it is the average of the two numbers.

    I hope that makes sense, I am sure someone else on here can explain it better. I did it last year for the Appaloosa awards, it was the third score from the same judge that kept me from placing, oh well.

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    • #3
      They no longer drop a score. The Median is the Middle score. With ten scores they use all scores and average the two middle scores (average of your fifth and sixth scores).
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      • #4
        Make sure the breed association is on the USDF list of participating organizations. Just because you are "declared" is not enough- if that organization did not choose to pay the $200 annual fee to the USDF this year, there is no award. I had a horse declared and the very year the breed organization flaked out and skipped "participating" was the year I spent all kinds of $$ showing an earning scores!
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          #5
          Thanks everyone. He is declared for All Breeds and APHA is on the list. I checked that before putting in his papers at the start of the year.

          I appreciate the replies!

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          • #6
            Line your scores up from lowest to highest (no matter HOW many scores you have). Make sure you have 8 scores from at least 4 different shows and judges (assuming you are at 4th level or below, requirements are different at FEI). Then the MIDDLE score becomes your median. If there are two middle scores (i.e. you have an even number of total scores), add the two middle scores and divide by two. That is your median. So one really high or really low score will not skew your median...
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            • #7
              Are you showing up in the Preliminary Standings yet? If not and all your scores (at least the 8, 4 from diff judges and shows) are reported to the USDF (do a Horse Score Check), I would email someone at USDF and ask why not. Also check the P.O. and make sure your horse's name is listed on the Eligible List.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Knothead View Post
                Are you showing up in the Preliminary Standings yet? If not and all your scores (at least the 8, 4 from diff judges and shows) are reported to the USDF (do a Horse Score Check), I would email someone at USDF and ask why not. Also check the P.O. and make sure your horse's name is listed on the Eligible List.
                Remember, those results are often 4 to 8 weeks behind...
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                • #9
                  I'm doing the USDF awards too, they take the median score of however many scores you have. But I recently found out that they take only the top two scores from each judge. For example I had the same judge 4 times in a show I went to. I recieved a 74,72,70,and a 69. For the median score they only counted the 74 and 72%, the 70 and 69% dont matter.

                  Goodluck!!!!!!

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                    #10
                    Im not on the preliminary standings list yet but my last show was this past weekend and that gave me tests 8, 9 & 10. I know that's two more than the 8 required. I was just curious how it all was figured out.

                    Thanks so much for all your input everyone!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by luv2piaffe View Post
                      I'm doing the USDF awards too, they take the median score of however many scores you have. But I recently found out that they take only the top two scores from each judge. For example I had the same judge 4 times in a show I went to. I recieved a 74,72,70,and a 69. For the median score they only counted the 74 and 72%, the 70 and 69% dont matter.

                      Goodluck!!!!!!
                      Oh!! That's good to know. Im going to have a ball trying to figure things out Your scores are terrific! Do you mind if I ask what your All Breeds declaration is? Which PO?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MelShiloh View Post
                        Im not on the preliminary standings list yet but my last show was this past weekend and that gave me tests 8, 9 & 10. I know that's two more than the 8 required. I was just curious how it all was figured out.

                        Thanks so much for all your input everyone!
                        Oh, that will take a few weeks then...it's like torture waiting for everything to be posted! I'm sure this time of year the people that do this on the USDF end are going nuts.

                        How was your last show?? Good luck!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by luv2piaffe View Post
                          I'm doing the USDF awards too, they take the median score of however many scores you have. But I recently found out that they take only the top two scores from each judge. For example I had the same judge 4 times in a show I went to. I recieved a 74,72,70,and a 69. For the median score they only counted the 74 and 72%, the 70 and 69% dont matter.

                          Goodluck!!!!!!
                          Where did you find this info? I'm trying to get unconfused but the more I have read the more confused I am!

                          Becky
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                            Originally posted by Knothead View Post
                            Oh, that will take a few weeks then...it's like torture waiting for everything to be posted! I'm sure this time of year the people that do this on the USDF end are going nuts.

                            How was your last show?? Good luck!
                            It was great! We had a really tough judge. Many of the Training 1 & 2 scores were in the 50'2 and 40's. My little guy and I rode T3 & T4 Sat. and T4 and F1 Sunday and we got 63.6%, 66.8%, 66.4% and 64.3% respectively. Im really happy with the scores given that im riding a 15.2 paint and that we had the 3rd highest score of the day with the 66.8% on Saturday.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by crthunder View Post
                              Where did you find this info? I'm trying to get unconfused but the more I have read the more confused I am!

                              Becky
                              Hi Becky,

                              I figured it out the way everyone here is saying. Take all of your tests and arrange them from the lowest scores to the highest scores and then take the middle two tests and average just those two. I ended up with a 64% median. The current first place person in my all breeds division (APHA) has a 65% ~ shoot!

                              Does that help at all?

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by MelShiloh View Post
                                Hi Becky,

                                I figured it out the way everyone here is saying. Take all of your tests and arrange them from the lowest scores to the highest scores and then take the middle two tests and average just those two. I ended up with a 64% median. The current first place person in my all breeds division (APHA) has a 65% ~ shoot!

                                Does that help at all?
                                You only take the MIDDLE two scores if you have an even number of scores (ie, 8). If you have an odd number of scores, you will have a single score that will serve as your median.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by MelShiloh View Post
                                  My horse is declared for All Breeds .
                                  How do you "declare" for All Breeds?

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                                  • #18
                                    Use this form.

                                    http://www.usdf.org/docs/awards/all-...rationForm.pdf

                                    And choose carefully. Once you have declared a sponsoring organization, you cannot change it unless the organization stops sponsoring awards.
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                                    • #19
                                      Let me clarify my question - I can handle the median part (I'm a math teacher ) it's the info that is the only two scores per judge count that I'm reading.

                                      I looked on the USDF site and I can't find that anywhere...

                                      My question is because I have five scores from one show (only one judge) and three from another judge (different show).

                                      This is way complicated!
                                      Becky
                                      Becky & Red
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                                      • #20
                                        I am not sure where it is written on the USDF website, but yes, if you have 5 scores from the same judge, they will drop the three lowest ones in figuring your median. No more than two scores per judge. This is a recent rule change, I believe. I know I was suprised when I checked my median just this a.m. because it was higher than I thought it would be - and discovered that I had 3 scores from two different judges, so the lowest scores from each of those judges were dropped.

                                        So, you need to make sure you have enough scores to qualify for year end awards if you have more than two scores from one or more judges - since those scores will be dropped.
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