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  • Dressage Trainer showing in own show.

    Would like to just throw this out to all. What are your feelings about a trainer who is hosting a show and showing a horse in it? I don't mind if they show HC but I find it unprofessional if they aren't. I understand the whole showing a newbie at a show atmosphere but it just seems tacky/unprofessional to me.

    Any thoughts?????????????

  • #2
    I agree its lame and reflects poorly on the professional in many ways.

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    • #3
      Huh?

      As long as the show runs well while the organizer is otherwise occupied, what's the issue? Would you feel the same way if the organizer were some ammy volunteer who took a few moments off from show work to ride his/her own horse? I don't see what the issue is.
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      • #4
        There could be an issue of impropriety if the trainer who's hosting the show is the person who hired (and paid) the judge.
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        • #5
          I thought the USEF dressage rules said something about whether you can ride in front of a judge when you have a relationship with them (e.g., are a student, trainer, employer, etc of the judge). But I can't find it in the rules -- anyone else know?

          I personally don't have a problem with a host trainer riding in their show. The judge should be professional enough to be impartial. Or at least as impartial as they ever can be. Let's face it, judges frequently have opinions/history/dealings with the riders they are judging. And if the host trainer, barn owner, etc can't ride in a show they are hosting, that's certainly a disincentive to go to all the work of hosting.
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            Originally posted by Anselcat View Post
            I thought the USEF dressage rules said something about whether you can ride in front of a judge when you have a relationship with them (e.g., are a student, trainer, employer, etc of the judge). But I can't find it in the rules -- anyone else know?

            I personally don't have a problem with a host trainer riding in their show. The judge should be professional enough to be impartial. Or at least as impartial as they ever can be. Let's face it, judges frequently have opinions/history/dealings with the riders they are judging. And if the host trainer, barn owner, etc can't ride in a show they are hosting, that's certainly a disincentive to go to all the work of hosting.
            There is a USEF rule regarding that. My trainer is an FEI level eventer and she had to train with someone else 3 months prior to a show at which her dressage trainer was the judge. If this is a schooling show its definitely more lax, but i think it's unprofessional. If the trainer is hosting the show shouldn't she be busy coaching her students?

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              Monsterpony-there is a difference if an ammy who is volunteering at a show to go & ride in that show. I am talking about a trainer who owns the property and is the organizer. I just find it unprofessional unless they are riding HC. But then again its my opinion and i was just curious as to what others thought.

              Thanks for the input!
              Last edited by piaffequeen; Aug. 22, 2009, 02:57 PM.

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              • #8
                I think you just make yourself look like a dork by whining about it. Just be grateful that she is holding a show.
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                • #9
                  There are several trainers who win 1st place USDF Horse of the Year awards every year and only show at home at their own shows, and at championships at the end of the year.

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                  • #10
                    The USEF rule for recognized competitions;

                    4. A manager cannot serve as judge, steward or technical delegate of his own competition. A member of a manager’s family cannot officiate as judge, steward or technical delegate at said manager’s competition.
                    5. A manager or secretary of a Dressage Competition or an organizer of an Eventing Competition may not compete as rider or handler in his/her own competition. However, he or she may show Hors de Concours if he or she designates an assistant in charge while he or she is showing. This does not absolve the manager’s or secretary’s duties and responsibilities



                    However; all the trainer would have to do is employ a manager or secretary.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post


                      However; all the trainer would have to do is employ a manager or secretary.
                      yep, seen that done before. Didn't fool anybody though.

                      I agree with piaffequeen. Traner should stay off the horse unless showing HC.
                      Why give even a hint of impropriety ?

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                      • #12
                        I "host" a schooling show at my farm every year, but it's run by one of our local GMOs - VADA/NoVA did it last year, CDCTA this year. All I do is provide the facility, drag the arenas, put up some signs and show up. I ride in it because it's a nice opportunity for me to get some feedback on how my horses are going without making a big fuss. I don't charge for the use of the facility, so the organizers give me a free ride or two - much cheaper than taking a lesson, but just as much outside insight into how the training is going.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                          yep, seen that done before. Didn't fool anybody though.
                          Why would they have to fool anybody ? It would be perefctly within the rules.
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                          • #14
                            Like Dressagediosa, I also run both private and GMO chapter-sponsored schooling shows at my farm and I also will ride in them, sometimes with a young horse needing show mileage, sometimes on a student's horse, sometimes trying out a new test with a more experienced horse. I put a lot of time and effort into running these shows for both my students and the community around me and getting to ride on occasion is an incentive to keep doing the work and opening up my facility. Running dressage shows is not a highly profitable undertaking, so I think it is fine for owner/organizers to ride. I have faith in the skill and integrity of the judges I hire (frankly, I find that when I judge I rarely notice WHO is in the ring once the test starts)

                            At licensed shows, there are rules about riding and managing or acting as secretary that must be followed and I could never imagine having the time to be able to do both effectively in any event.

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                            • #15
                              A few years ago I had a trainer that put on 3-4 shows a year. She had volunteers through her GMO that did all the organizer stuff. She, her husband and employees for all practical purposes hosted the shows--made sure stalls were ready for competitors, arenas ready, a clean quiet place for the judges to have lunch.

                              And she did ride in her shows.

                              And there are more situations like this then you realize. Otherwise there would be very few shows and lots more expensive shows, too

                              So what's point of this thread....poor sportmanship by the original post? Would you like some cheese with whine--I mean wine.

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                              • #16
                                I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

                                Hosting a show is a lot of work. And if it's right there, on her property.... I think she deserves to be able to take a break from organizing and go ride a test.

                                I do not see how it unprofessional in the slightest. Like the judge gives a freakin hoot if she organized it or not.

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                                • #17
                                  At a schooling show? Seems like a win win - owner gets something for her having let strangers clean their trailers out in her field (I'm not condoning leaving poo behind - just commenting on what I see happen all too often), you get someone who is presumably moderately alert in the warm up area.
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                                    Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                    I think you just make yourself look like a dork by whining about it. Just be grateful that she is holding a show.
                                    So what's point of this thread....poor sportmanship by the original post? Would you like some cheese with whine--I mean wine.[/QUOTE

                                    Who said I was whining? All I asked was what others thought about a trainer showing in their own show? Where did you read I was whining?

                                    There are plenty of shows to go to in my area both schooling and rated. I have no problem competing against them, I was just asking opinions but whatever floats your boat!

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                                    • #19
                                      A- It is done all the time
                                      B- There is ALWAYS someone who complains about it
                                      C- As long as he/she isn't the show manager or secretary, it is perfectly legal for the facility owner or trainer to ride in the show
                                      D- it is highly unlikely that the judge even knows when the facility owner/trainer is in the ring
                                      E -Even if the judge DOES know who is in the ring, I have never seen a judge score unfairly in that context.
                                      F- This is a small world. If you eliminated every possible source of potential conflict of interest, you wouldn't be able to put on, or attend, ANY shows.
                                      G "Would like to just throw this out to all. What are your feelings about a trainer who is hosting a show and showing a horse in it? I don't mind if they show HC but I find it unprofessional if they aren't." sure sounds like complaining, if not whining to me.

                                      To answer your question, I find it perfectly acceptable, professional and legal for the people hosting the show to compete in it. In fact, to the extent that it gives the rest of us MORE shows to show in, I find it DESIREABLE.
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                                        #20
                                        All I was asking was how other people felt about the subject and what my opinion was which I am entitled to just as your opinions are entitled to you but I still believe that it wasn't poor sportsmanship or whining on my part just curiosity! It doesn't mean that I would not compete at this person's show if they were showing in it. I just wanted some feedback! Should have known better! :}

                                        Those who have no problems with that's great-its your opinion!

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