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  • So its okay to ride a 3 year old hard if you are riding him in the discipline he was bread for?? Ooooooh-kay.
    What you don't get, Two Simple, is that horse isn't being worked hard. For him, this stuff is easy and that is why a lot of us like him
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    • Originally posted by Two Simple View Post
      So its okay to ride a 3 year old hard if you are riding him in the discipline he was bread for?? Ooooooh-kay.
      Oh Two Simple, why do you make this sooooo complicated? Quaterback (not Quarterman, my bad) was BRED (not bread, although he looks delicious) to move like this. It is EASY for him. He is NOT working hard. He is not being ridden hard.

      Our 5 year old (he'll turn 6 in Feb.) is learning changes. It is EASY for him. All of the work, up to now has been easy for him so he has come along quickly. BUT, always, we pay a lot of attention to what the horses tell us. If you are a decent horseman, and these Europeans haven't accomplished what they have by not being good horsemen, you let the horse tell you what they are ready for.
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        • Originally posted by egontoast View Post
          santa' s sporting a goatee this yr and Mrs santa has one under each arm

          but we digress!

          PS I think the dearly departed Sabine's SO rides dressage with a hairy face,
          Sabine got banned? Bummer!!!


          • Yeah, bummer, considering who else is allowed to blather on in supreme ignorance.


            • Originally posted by Two Simple View Post
              I would be very interested to get a copy of this study. Can you tell me the group that conducted it, and where I might get copies? Thanks!
              You could probably find it yourself faster on medline. It will take me years to find that journal. It was race horses, specifically dealing with a question about bucked shins, but the results were that ligament and bone density and thickness were increased in horses in work versus those stalled. Granted, there was no "turnout" group, since racing TBs are rarely housed that way. I believe it was a UPenn study, and I heard a talk referring to it (and then pulled the copy) back in 1996, so the date is prior to that.
              From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.


              • Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                Here is something a bit more scientific for those who advocate that working a horse this age like this is OK. I am almost certain the studies that Pony Fixer is talking about were done on race horses and discussed building bone density and did not really focus on the latest part of the horse to mature...their spine and backs....and was not really about sport horses in general or horses asked to work like dressage horses are.

                I don't disagree with all of what this article says. However, if it ain't referrenced and in a peer-reviewed journal, it ain't a "study" (not that you said it was). There is no way, from that article, to find from where all her "evidence" stems.
                From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.


                • TS--those studies largely don't exist for several reasons. One, money. Who wants to study that and pay for it--food companies? Fencing or stabling companies? Second, controls. You can't control for how much exercise a pastured horse gets. Mine, he can almost stay fit outside. His buddy is a pasture potato. Third, the study was terminal. They euthanized all the horses to cut up the legs and measure the bone/ligament size, density, etc.

                  My point is not that horses SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be backed at a certain age. It's just that, like most of life, it is highly variable and specific to the case at hand. BUT, because you decide to back a particular horse at a particular age for a particular reason does not inherently cause them to have issues down the road. Actually, I should not have said inherently. ;-p Genetics probably plays a large role in long term soundness, more so than when first backed. A summit synopsis was just published this week regarding making racing safer for TBs. Seems we have more horses than 50 years ago, the same # of starts, so therefore each horse is racing less. However, breakdowns are occurring at a higher rate. Two factors greatly considered--genetics (breeding for faster, not sounder) and toe grabs (hopefully greater than 4 mm soon to be banned).
                  From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.


                  • There was an article in Equus not too long ago (3-6 months) about this issue.
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                    • Found this old thread on Quaterback. I did love this stallion when he first appeared. Such a WOW mover. Looks like some of his get have been approved, I'm just wondering why he doesn't appear to have had any show career.

                      I found this about him--not sure how old it is: http://www.hwfarm.com/Stallions/urls/quaterback.htm

                      Anyone have something sired by him? Something doing really well?
                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"


                      • I have a friend that has a Qarterback son, gelding, that they are not sure if they are going to do dressage or jumpers with but he seems like a good guy
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                        • Good to know! Thanks, ivy62!
                          "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"


                          • I loooove Qredit. And his offspring. Qredit won his stallion test with good scores both in dressage and jumping, and of course temperament.

                            My understanding is Quaterback DID do GP work, but I don't know if in competition or just showing the movements in stallion shows. Of course it's easier for a US-based horse where we can search the websites we know for show scores.
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                            • Alissa Pitts is showing Quintessential Hit this one seems to be doing well.


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                              • Very cool. I really liked him when he first hit the scene and was hoping that he, or his babies, would do really well. I did see Qredit on the Hilltop site and was thinking he looked a lot like his dad (body-wise). He was on the cover of COTH at one point, I think.
                                "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"


                                • Old old thread, but Judy Yancey has a good article on Quarterback re his versatility on her webpage.
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                                  • Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                    Very cool. I really liked him when he first hit the scene and was hoping that he, or his babies, would do really well. I did see Qredit on the Hilltop site and was thinking he looked a lot like his dad (body-wise). He was on the cover of COTH at one point, I think.
                                    While Qredit doesn't spend as much time floating above the ground, I think he's the nicer horse. I think Judy bred well and improved on Quaterback's weaknesses while keeping his strengths.
                                    If Kim Kardashian wants to set up a gofundme to purchase the Wu Tang album from Martin Shkreli, guess what people you DON'T HAVE TO DONATE.


                                    • Is Qredit doing much competing?
                                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"


                                      • Yes, Qredit is competing at I-1 and PSG in 2016 with scores in the high 60s and 70s: