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  • Originally posted by Two Simple


    When I think dressage, I think about stoic, explicitely trained military horses who are regimented, thorough and methodic, trustworthy, precision for combat, etc. They are heavy and unflappable. They are not hot and likely to run away with you. I think of horses who would face an attacker and bring you his head on a plate. Not a horse who is flighty, flashy, and electrified. I just always go back to the roots of the sport and that makes me realize how what we have in the show rings today is really really far from what it might ought to be. Ask yourself why dressage was cultivated? Was it to prove you had the hottest and flashiest horse, or was it to make sure you lived through the battle and got back home at the end of the day?

    Honey, you don't survive battle on something heavy and unflappable. The energy plays a role there, as well--it's called intimidation (not to mention getting out of the way in a hurry ...). And that's why the training and control of all of that energy is so important (control by both the horse AND the rider, hence temperament with athletic ability is important).

    But I don't think the historical origins have any bearing on this discussion, because we aren't living in history, we're living today. If competitive dressage has morphed into something a little different, so be it--it is what it is, take it or leave it. Which you seem to be having trouble with, alas.

    I still think that's a pretty spectacular horse.
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    • Originally posted by FoxxxyStarr View Post
      you simply picked the wrong bulletin board to post this on.
      Oh look! We've got a new mod.
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      • Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
        Nor do I necessarily think that "spectacular to the verge of unrideable" unless you are a VERY talented rider is the ideal, either. Surely, somewhere in the middle ground - as you say, fluid, forward, brilliant but with athletic rather than nervous tension, a willing obedientce rather than barely contained, etc.????
        Yep, I definitely agree with that. Somewhere in the middle ground is probably the best thing. I just hate the see the sport migrate more and more toward that "almost over the edge, pushing the envelope right to the breaking point" mentality.

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        • Original Poster

          Hello?

          1. This is a THREE YEAR OLD horse.

          2. His gaits are not freakish. They are elastic and supple.
          Frankly, Hilda Gurney's legendary TB, Keen, moved almost this 'freakishly' --and back in those good old days, once received a score of 4 on the trot, with the comment "too much suspension".
          Keen. An American Thoroughbred. what? 30 years ago? Moved pretty much like this. That is why Hilda bought him.

          3. What is amazing to me is the fact that this young horse can perform this well under such conditions. BUT this is also due to the masterful riding by a 'young horse' ace, Christian Flamm. That is why he is the one on the horse-- to SHOW OFF the horse. To SHOWCASE the horse. TO provide a way for people to see the horse in public setting.

          This horse's movement has very little in common with gaited horses: THIS horse, UNDER SADDLE, carrying a rider, continues to swing and maintain an elastic connection, even as he flexes his joints and pushes into the next stride.

          I have never seen a gaited horse do this.

          I have seen horses-other-than-warmbloods do this, Aul Magic being an outstanding example. Of course, Aul Magic is beloved not by breeders of Arabians-for-breed but by breeders of Arabians for sport<g>.

          This horse, Quaterback, is bred for SPORT.

          The SPORT of dressage.

          I realize that this is a BB, and that some people really enjoy seeing their posts, seeing their screen names, getting people to reply in an emotional fashion.

          it is a moment of power, and humans love to have moments of power.

          But frankly, this horse should humble us all.

          he has no human emotions. he trusts his rider enough to stay composed while a bunch of humans jump up and down scremaing and clapping and whooping and hollering.

          I'd rather be on this horse and jump through the fires of hell than most of the horses I know.

          I shall now go and ride my own lesser horses, and hope I have the humor and humility to enjoy them, and hope they trust me enough to give me even a bit of the partnership this young horse shows.
          one oak, lots of canyons

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          • This is my first ever post on the dressage forum but I have to comment on Quaterback as being the most gorgeous mover I've ever seen in a dressage horse. I'm not a dressage person and my training and interests lie with Saddlebreds, but I can appreciate athleticism and grace in any breed, as well as star quality. I would say that 3 year old is blessed with all three of those virtues. I couldn't find the in-hand video to watch but the under saddle video was amazing. I loved his suspended animation and personna - truly an incredible stallion!
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            • Originally posted by Two Simple
              When I think dressage, I think about stoic, explicitely trained military horses who are regimented, thorough and methodic, trustworthy, precision for combat, etc. They are heavy and unflappable. They are not hot and likely to run away with you. I think of horses who would face an attacker and bring you his head on a plate. Not a horse who is flighty, flashy, and electrified.
              Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the directives of the FEI tests before telling everyone what an upper-level prospect is, or isn't.
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              • Great post, canyonoak.

                PS -- and I thought I'd be the only one here who knew about Aul Magic.
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                • Originally posted by mp View Post
                  Edited to add: Now you tell me he's got a blanket, too. I really am jealous. Pictures, please, whenever you get a chance. I'd love to see him.
                  I have never figured out how to post pics from my desk top to the BB. However, he is here:

                  http://www.confettifarms.com

                  Go to the sale horses and look at "Confetti's Magic Marker."

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                  • The idea that dressage came straight out of the military and is all about heavy horses is patently absurd.

                    karl mikolka is one who has repeatedly publicly disproven the idea that dressage has all its roots in military.

                    But the idea that miltary is all about heavy horses under some sort of control is nuts.

                    One of the most famous cavalry divisions of all time made their charge with the bits slipped from the horse's mouths - no turning back, and yes, no real fine control. C

                    Cavalry and war is not about precision riding most of the time, and the idea that caprioles and levades were battle moves is so absurd it's been hooted out of better places than here, despite how many times something is repeated in books like 'The world of horses' doesn't make it true.

                    Perhaps some of the confusion came out of the military sponsoring teams to participate in equestrian sport, one of their other traditional roles.

                    In fact, the military had dozens of different kinds of horses and cavalry had horses that varied for terrain and purpose in every country. The Polish cavalry had lightning strike divisions riding light, fast, hot horses, so did the Hungarian cavalry, followed up by heavier caisson horses pulling caisson (gun boxes) and artillery horses. There are many different kinds of cavalry, it has varied all over, but cavalry and dressage being one and the same is nuts. They aren't.

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                    • Originally posted by Equit8tor View Post
                      Be still my heart! I wish not for the money to own him, but for the talent to ride him as he should be ridden..........
                      Oh, you took the words right out of my mouth. Of course, I hadn't closed it yet as I was still watching the video!
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                      friendship without envy or beauty without vanity?
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                      • Holy moley, Sandy. He looks good standing still, but those shots of him trotting are incredible. Enjoy!
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                        • Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
                          2. His gaits are not freakish. They are elastic and supple.
                          Frankly, Hilda Gurney's legendary TB, Keen, moved almost this 'freakishly' --and back in those good old days, once received a score of 4 on the trot, with the comment "too much suspension".
                          Keen. An American Thoroughbred. what? 30 years ago? Moved pretty much like this. That is why Hilda bought him.
                          it is good to see that the judges agree with me. i find this much suspension displeasing to the eye. more is not always better.
                          This horse's movement has very little in common with gaited horses: THIS horse, UNDER SADDLE, carrying a rider, continues to swing and maintain an elastic connection, even as he flexes his joints and pushes into the next stride.

                          I have never seen a gaited horse do this.
                          i suggest you look harder then? or perhaps what you are truly looking for is a breed specific type of movement? that would explain much.

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                          • Originally posted by mp View Post
                            Holy moley, Sandy. He looks good standing still, but those shots of him trotting are incredible. Enjoy!
                            Thanks, I am very excited about this. Should I tell Quatermaster to look out?? ROFLOL~!!!! (just kidding, of course!!!)

                            Of course, I also think I'm slightly crazy. I'm not exactly a kid any more, though I'm in pretty good shape for my age. I've helped people with youngsters, but I've always in the past bought horses that were at least "green broke." And of course, I get sort of choked up, because while I made a very rational decision in purchasing this young gelding (I THINK I did - but it's going to be a financial crunch), I've owned and loved my older guy for so long (see profile pic), that I keep saying, "I really didn't want a new horse. I just want the one I've got to be 5 again!"

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                            • Oh no.....!!!! The Trailblazzer is back in all its ignorant and argumentative glory. :-) Let's run for cover and find a thread she has not contaminated yet.
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                              • Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                                Oh no.....!!!! The Trailblazzer is back in all its ignorant and argumentative glory. :-) Let's run for cover and find a thread she has not contaminated yet.
                                Yep, looks that way to me! Let's remember, classical mismatchers, like *** fill in your favourite name, are not discussing the topic, they just getting their jollies out of trolling.

                                Shame, must be awful to live that way!

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                                • those are the nicest color sport horses i have ever seen anyplace. nice job, sandy m!!

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                                  • I dont think it is TB.Different writing style to TB but still familiar.No capitals which irks me and reads way to much into peoples posts.Doesnt seem to like dressage or have much understanding of it yet still speaks with a power of authority on the subject.Why come to this forum ?

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                                    • That original video was interesting to watch, thanks for posting the link.

                                      I wonder, in 50 years, will we watch that clip and say, "What a horse!" or "What were we thinking?!"
                                      Last edited by citydog; Dec. 1, 2006, 05:40 PM.

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                                      • Originally posted by NoDQhere View Post
                                        I went back and looked at the video again and I DID find something wrong with this horse. I CAN'T AFFORD HIM

                                        Seriously though, this is a very nice horse who, IMO, will be capable of doing anything. Most likely, though, because of his movement he will become a dressage horse.

                                        To the folks who think that because he is too good, that that, somehow makes him not good enough.............When you get beat in the dressage arena whilst riding those all arounders, please don't whine

                                        This is what serious sport horse breeders are breeding for
                                        Amen, amen, amen. To EVERYTHING you just said!!!

                                        With that sort of talent and temperament to be so relaxed and supple in such an electric atmosphere, especially at the age of three, who gives a rat's arse if you can trail ride him? Seriously. Besides, if you can afford him, then you can afford to buy another horse to trail ride with

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                                        • Originally posted by Two Simple
                                          Repeat after me - HOCK INJECTIONS.

                                          The horse is bloody 3 years old ferchristsake. THREE. He's doing all this under saddle at 3???
                                          All what? Walk trot and canter? As someone else pointed out - he would do a hell of a lot more out in a field playing. He was relaxed and easy as could be in that arena and the rider was not pushing him. Where's the harm?

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