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  • Equation Saddlery

    Anyone have a saddle by Equation Saddlery. Wondering about service, wear, fit etc. Thanks
    Friesians Rule !!

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    Oh boy, here comes the train...

    There was a huge thread about June/July-ish of this year on the Chronicle about George/Equation Saddlery.

    Folks either love or hate him. I'm on the fence

    I've tried two Equation saddles in my long and still continuing saddle search.

    The first one was an older Equation which I couldn't wait to get out of and my gelding was just as glad when it was off him. On my side, there was a terrible lump under my thigh (it also had the adjustable bar). I brought this saddle while George was at my trainer's and he said it was an older model he didn't like Yeah, that made three of us; me, my gelding, and George. I had the saddle on trial from Horse of Course, it promptly went back.

    The second is a new Equation (built for someone else, but they didn't want it. It's a familiar story, I hear.) - fits my hard, hard to fit gelding wonderfully. He loffs it!! And goes well in it. For me? It's comfortable, but I really struggled to find my position the first two weeks I had it on trial. It's a flatter saddle and there are more options on where to sit - it's not as restrictive as the Custom Advantage I tried (which I loved, but gelding hated). I ended up buying this new Equation at a good price. It has the adjustable stirrup bars which are kind of fun to move around. I had one of my most comfortable rides in it today with the stirrup setting in a new place.

    But I still think about the Custom Advantage ride and am keeping my eyes casually peeled for a Custom that will make both my gelding and I happy.

    As far as saddle quality, it seems like a nice saddle. The leather is soft and the seat comfortable. The stitching, and other metal parts seem comparable to other saddles I've seen/had.

    Here's the other thread: http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...d.php?t=199398
    Last edited by Boomer; Aug. 15, 2009, 01:19 PM. Reason: to add link to previous thread

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    • Original Poster

      #3
      Thanks for the link.
      Friesians Rule !!

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      • #4
        You can send me a PM and I will be glad to share my experiance with you. I have two of his saddles, one of them have not been able to use for almost a year.

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        • #5
          I don't have one but I remember there was this big huge tread discussing it. Some folks liked it and some hated it with passion. The worst part seems to be the worst ever service.

          I was still on the fence even after reading all the bad reviews (saddles can be so personal you know).. But then a bunch of "I love you George" treads turned up by 1st time posters that completely turned me off. Those posts were obviously from sales brochures. I decided to steer clear of them because I don't want to deal with a company who relies on sales gimmicks instead of good products and services.

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          • #6
            The worst part seems to be the worst ever service.
            Keep in mind, he is a one man show. You can't expect him to jump from one barn to another all the way across the country at moments notice.

            At least he has a good understanding of the horse's anatomy and biomechanics; more than most other saddle fitters.

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            • #7
              ToN Farm, you may be right. Who know? To me I got a feeling that he is a guy who knows a lot of anatomical terms and be able to use some high words to his advantage. Understanding equine anatomy is very different from sprouting out anatomical terms everywhere. But again I might be completely wrong.... That was my gut feeling that is all.

              As to service... If you sell a $4000+ saddle, you had better provide some decent service, whether it means hiring some more help or not.. Or damn don't sell it if you can't keep up with the service.

              But hey what am I doing here? I don't know this guy, probably never will, don't even own his saddle. So I will shut up

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                Keep in mind, he is a one man show. You can't expect him to jump from one barn to another all the way across the country at moments notice.

                At least he has a good understanding of the horse's anatomy and biomechanics; more than most other saddle fitters.
                LOL...which explains why he told me my saddle was putting pressure on my horse's cervical vertebrae...and he said it twice, weeks apart, so it wasn't just a slip.

                The cervical vertebrae are in the horse's neck....and not near the withers, either.

                My feeling is that a lot of people are wowed by the anatomical terms being tossed out there and think that means he's good. Clearly, I wasn't one of them. Being able to toss big words and anatomical terms around vs understanding the actual physical mechanics are two different critters.

                And I'd also like to know how, after seeing my horse and declaring him very evenly developed, the same horse went to being very one sided when I complained about the serious discomfort my horse was having in the newly fitted saddle. Long distance psychic powers? He never saw my horse after the one fitting.

                I don't think anyone would expect him to jump all the way across the country at a moment's notice (I know I wouldn't)....but he should be able to at least return calls and make some sort of arrangements to respond. And he should also not ignore complaints and stand behind his work with acceptable results....to ignore this is a red flag for me. While I did receive emails from his office, when their solution (ride in the saddle for a few weeks until it settles) didn't work and was making my horse very sore and cranky, they immediately got defensive...it couldn't possibly be a bad fit. I ended up sending the saddle back to them to have the extra flocking on the one side removed...and while that did happen, the underside was now a lumpy mess and the saddle was still not usable. All it really needed in the beginning was for the tree to be widened about 1 cm. I sold it and bought a Schleese, and my horse promptly went from miserable and trying to avoid being tacked up to being his happy self again...and the change was immediate.

                To be fair, I have seen his custom saddles and the leather and craftsmanship seem nice enough...but if they aren't backed up by good customer service, and the resale value is substantially lower than other high end saddles (if you can even sell them!) it's hard to justify a purchase.
                Last edited by Unfforgettable; Nov. 24, 2009, 10:27 AM.
                "Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them."
                -Richard S. Bach

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sharon Potter View Post
                  LOL...which explains why he told me my saddle was putting pressure on my horse's cervical vertebrae...and he said it twice, weeks apart, so it wasn't just a slip.

                  The cervical vertebrae are in the horse's neck....and not near the withers, either.

                  My feeling is that a lot of people are wowed by the anatomical terms being tossed out there and think that means he's good. Clearly, I wasn't one of them. Being able to toss big words and anatomical terms around vs understanding the actual physical mechanics are two different critters.

                  And I'd also like to know how, after seeing my horse and declaring him very evenly developed, the same horse went to being very one sided when I complained about the serious discomfort my horse was having in the newly fitted saddle. Long distance psychic powers? He never saw my horse after the one fitting.

                  I don't think anyone would expect him to jump all the way across the country at a moment's notice (I know I wouldn't)....but he should be able to at least return calls and make some sort of arrangements to respond. And he should also not ignore complaints and stand behind his work with acceptable results....to ignore this is a red flag for me. While I did receive emails from his office, when their solution (ride in the saddle for a few weeks until it settles) didn't work and was making my horse very sore and cranky, they immediately got defensive...it couldn't possibly be a bad fit. I ended up sending the saddle back to them to have the extra flocking on the one side removed...and while that did happen, the underside was now a lumpy mess and the saddle was still not usable. All it really needed in the beginning was for the tree to be widened about 1 cm. I sold it and bought a Schleese, and my horse promptly went from miserable and trying to avoid being tacked up to being his happy self again...and the change was immediate.

                  To be fair, I have seen his custom saddles and the leather and craftsmanship seem nice enough...but if they aren't backed up by good customer service, and the resale value is substantially lower than other high end saddles (if you can even sell them!) it's hard to justify a purchase.
                  Exactly- Anyone wants my two cents can read the previous threads or PM me- As I am one very unsatisfied customer still trying to sell my saddle that I rode in for 6 months only- Still thrilled with my Albion!

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                  • #10
                    As someone who has ridden in an Albion for YEARS... I have to say we call the Equation Saddle I have the "Magic Saddle"- it fits on all but one of my horses in training.

                    George approached me about riding in the saddle in August and I said, "Thanks but no thanks, my Albion is working" etc. He was pretty persistent and I told him "Ok, I'll try it but not on my top horse." Of course, after all my other horses loved it I put my GP horse in it and the rest is history. He's never gone so well- way more "go" and shoulder freedom... And here we are three months later and everyone is still really happy.

                    George's customer service has been excellent- one of our clients spend $500 getting her saddle "fixed" and it was making her horse very sore still. George offered to take a look and refit it for free since he knew she couldn't afford to have it refitted again.

                    Just my two cents.
                    www.lizaustindressage.com
                    http://www.imajica.net/stallion/olivier/profile/ Dutch Warmblood stallion, Olivier.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StarDoozer View Post
                      As someone who has ridden in an Albion for YEARS... I have to say we call the Equation Saddle I have the "Magic Saddle"- it fits on all but one of my horses in training.

                      George approached me about riding in the saddle in August and I said, "Thanks but no thanks, my Albion is working" etc. He was pretty persistent and I told him "Ok, I'll try it but not on my top horse." Of course, after all my other horses loved it I put my GP horse in it and the rest is history. He's never gone so well- way more "go" and shoulder freedom... And here we are three months later and everyone is still really happy.

                      George's customer service has been excellent- one of our clients spend $500 getting her saddle "fixed" and it was making her horse very sore still. George offered to take a look and refit it for free since he knew she couldn't afford to have it refitted again.

                      Just my two cents.
                      So you received a free "promotional" saddle??

                      Ha.

                      People should steer clear of this guy, he appears unable or unwilling to follow through. Any man or woman is ONLY as good as their word! Enough said.

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                      • #12
                        this is my take (I am a very unsatisfied customer).

                        1. if you are a big name rider he will give you good service.
                        2. If you have no complaints he will give you good service.
                        3. If you are a no name rider prepare to be ignored.
                        4. If you have any complaints prepare to be ignored.

                        is he a genius?--maybe. but the guy's got some problems. You'd better stay on his good side or you can kiss that money goodbye.

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                        • #13
                          Equation Saddlery

                          I recently purchased a new, custom saddle from George and Equation. While we haven't worked out all the adjustments yet (I only received it two weeks ago), I am profoundly impressed by the improvement this saddle has made in how my horse feels under me, and how I can ride him. Nothing great is ever easy, or comes quickly, and while I cannot say I know George well or personally, I do believe he works in the best interest of, at least in my case, me and my horse. I know from the threads that there are many nay-sayers, and everyone has a right to post whatever they want, I suppose. I, however, am very happy with the decision I made to purchase a custom Equation saddle for an extremely hard to fit horse, who deserves the best I can afford.

                          UPDATE: Since I posted, I have noticed that my horse is much more free in the shoulder. I am an average rider on a GP horse, but I think I can say (and hope it's correct) that his back feels up, his shoulder is definitely elevated, and he is carrying more weight behind. I have noticed also that his topline is developing and his prominent withers are becoming less so. He is also gaining muscle and his previously slightly atrophied right hind is becoming more round. As importantly, he is more willing to GO! YAY!
                          Last edited by bathsheba8542; Dec. 15, 2009, 10:25 AM. Reason: Update

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                          • #14
                            Just an update since I was on the rather long George thread last time. My horse is a hard to fit shark-fin withered type.

                            George adjusted a Spalding saddle I have to fit my gelding. The saddle wasn't the best match, but he got it to work.

                            I later bought an Equation, which again, George got that saddle to fit. But it was never right for me, so...

                            Now I have a Custom Everest and he looked at it yesterday for me. This saddle was a pretty good match straight out of the box (thanks Fred Taht at Custom), but he tweeked it and now it's good enough that I don't need the shims.

                            At this point I have to say I'm a satisfied customer.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bathsheba8542 View Post
                              I recently purchased a new, custom saddle from George and Equation. While we haven't worked out all the adjustments yet (I only received it two weeks ago), I am profoundly impressed by the improvement this saddle has made in how my horse feels under me, and how I can ride him. Nothing great is ever easy, or comes quickly, and while I cannot say I know George well or personally, I do believe he works in the best interest of, at least in my case, me and my horse. I know from the threads that there are many nay-sayers, and everyone has a right to post whatever they want, I suppose. I, however, am very happy with the decision I made to purchase a custom Equation saddle for an extremely hard to fit horse, who deserves the best I can afford.

                              UPDATE: Since I posted, I have noticed that my horse is much more free in the shoulder. I am an average rider on a GP horse, but I think I can say (and hope it's correct) that his back feels up, his shoulder is definitely elevated, and he is carrying more weight behind. I have noticed also that his topline is developing and his prominent withers are becoming less so. He is also gaining muscle and his previously slightly atrophied right hind is becoming more round. As importantly, he is more willing to GO! YAY!
                              I am glad it is working for you...I think you will find from all the posts, that if it is "working", everyone is happy. If it is not working, George will walk away from you, and your investment. That has been the basic complaint here.

                              Boomer- glad it has worked for you as well- Might be due to the activity and noise level on the board regarding service and reliability.

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                              • #16
                                I am another upset customer with two saddles and one of which I cannot use. One of the saddles never fit me or my horse or me. I wanted to return it and he kept telling me to ride in, it so I did but still a terrible fit. Every time I complained the answer was "it's how you sit in the saddle it's not the actual saddle". Since I have moved away from my previous trainer he would not come out to work on my saddles. I didn't actually get what I originally ordered. I asked for a deep seat and got a flat seat, I asked for 16 1/2 inch seat and got 17" but was told it's 16 1/2. I measured it and another saddle fitter measured it, we both got 17" yet George keeps saying it's a 16 1/2. The saddle bridges and makes my horse uncomfortable almost sore yet he says I have no clue what I am talking about. He tried to sell me another saddle that he just "created" and after I rode in it for two weeks, there were issues. When I told him about it he said I should buy it because he is giving me a deal. I said no and now he won't return my calls or want to deal with me. To top it all, while at my barn he bashed my new trainer, her riders, and a family friend who is a World Cup Gold medalist. The people he was bashing didn't like his saddles and had disagreements with him about the fit and comfort of the saddle. Since they didn't agree with him, he is now bashing them. Very unethical and the saddles are not worth the money. I am still trying to get rid of one of his saddles and have not been able to sell it. I am now out of $3000 for the saddle but it makes a great ornament for Christmas.

                                My advice, stay away from his saddles and read BBB, he has a lot of reports on him and none of them are settled.

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                                • #17
                                  Had I known.................

                                  I have a brand new W17.5 Equation Saddlery Dressage saddle with front air panels - literally 2 rides. I cannot write down my entire journey with this saddlemaker and my mare but let's suffice to say this is the second saddle in almost a year (it takes that long during "waiting" periods when George cannot get to you).............and during those periods when you can't get service or a phone call your horse gets sore, out of alignment and you spend hundreds of dollars on pads trying to make up for it..................not to mention chiro/massage/vet bills........fast forward to present. I have ridden other horses in this saddle and it was not bad at all. It just doesn't work for us. Trying desperately to come sort of settlement with George but "guess what!" He won't return my emails or phone calls. I have $3895 invested in this (NEW) saddle and cannot get a different one until this is resolved - and my mare's top-line is rebuilt Willing to negotiate some on price.............if anyone's interested. Oh, and does anyone have THE SECRET to getting him to reply??????????????????????

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                                  • #18
                                    I do not know the secret of finding him. I gave up, and bought a Custom brand custom saddle from Cary at Custom saddlery.

                                    Anyone want my Equation saddle?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by FaithInMyGirl View Post
                                      I have a brand new W17.5 Equation Saddlery Dressage saddle with front air panels - literally 2 rides. I cannot write down my entire journey with this saddlemaker and my mare but let's suffice to say this is the second saddle in almost a year (it takes that long during "waiting" periods when George cannot get to you).............and during those periods when you can't get service or a phone call your horse gets sore, out of alignment and you spend hundreds of dollars on pads trying to make up for it..................not to mention chiro/massage/vet bills........fast forward to present. I have ridden other horses in this saddle and it was not bad at all. It just doesn't work for us. Trying desperately to come sort of settlement with George but "guess what!" He won't return my emails or phone calls. I have $3895 invested in this (NEW) saddle and cannot get a different one until this is resolved - and my mare's top-line is rebuilt Willing to negotiate some on price.............if anyone's interested. Oh, and does anyone have THE SECRET to getting him to reply??????????????????????
                                      Welcome to my world- but according to the one time posters, we are all crazy. 3 years later still trying to sell mine! From my experience he will just ignore you and patty will too at his direction. You will eventually give up and eat the cost- The saddle will collect dust in your barn, or sit at your local saddle fitters in a desperate attempt to try to recoup even 1/3 of your cost. Sorry for your troubles- perhaps people should pay more attention to the CB and members previous experience.
                                      Last edited by ec412; Feb. 10, 2010, 08:45 PM. Reason: spelling

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by mickeydoodle View Post
                                        I do not know the secret of finding him. I gave up, and bought a Custom brand custom saddle from Cary at Custom saddlery.

                                        Anyone want my Equation saddle?
                                        ps- thought he still lived in Waukesha Wi, but rumour has it he moves- have to ask yourself why?
                                        Not sure where he lives now, but do know that noone here uses him anymore, but apparently his son still tries to do business in my area.

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