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Why can't my horse do grand prix?

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  • If the rider blames the horse they are not a rider.
    Did i win something?

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    • yes, fiona, dear, here is your prize

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      • Wow, it's a thing of rare beauty!
        Do i hang it on the fence after i used the grass? Or put it on the wall in the bog* next to pictures of famous riders who probably wouldn't have bothered if they'd known that's where they'd end up?

        *bog: technical term for outside wc.

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        • I think you must hang it on the wall and install a mirror and music box inside so that it plays 'Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road' when the cover is left up.

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          • but the karaoke version, right?

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            • Originally posted by egontoast View Post
              one word- Ahlerich
              Second word - exceptional.

              How many Ahlerichs did you train to GP?

              (if less than 1, why?)

              Is there enough of Ahlerichs for all of the riders who want to do GP?

              (If the answer is "no" please elaborate why not?)

              I'd say every rider deserves an Ahlerich!!!!!! Equality and fair justice to all GP wannabies! (including me!!!! I'll be the first in the long line for Ahlerichs giveaway)

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              • HUH? My post was not in reply to yours. Where did I claim to be able to train an Ahlerich ? Not a chance. Ahlerich was difficult, not easy.

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                • sorry, I thought you were saying that anybody can train Ahlerich.

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                  • Original Poster

                    Thanks all for the great discussion! I was away at Arabian Sporthorse Nationals for a week and it took me a couple days to catch up. Saw a little I-1 and Grand Prix (yay Hilda for 'lowering' herself to ride arabs!) and got lots of inspiration! My hony and I may never make it to GP, but damned if I'm not going to give it all I've got anyway...heck, right now I'm happy to be cantering!
                    Jennifer Walker
                    Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
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                    • I didn't read past the 1st page, so I'm sure this has been covered, but what the hay.

                      These types of threads are often on UDBB too. Has anybody ever seen this question on a jumper forum?

                      GP dressage is no less an athletic endevour than GP show jumping and yet for reasons inexplicable to me, people are constantly asking "Why can't all horses do GP dressage"? Same reason not all horses can jump a 5' fence.

                      Dressage is like ballet. Ballet benefits all people, but few have what it takes to be a prima ballerina.
                      The two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. Mark Twain

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                      • Originally posted by tewhann View Post
                        GP dressage is no less an athletic endevour than GP show jumping and yet for reasons inexplicable to me, people are constantly asking "Why can't all horses do GP dressage"? Same reason not all horses can jump a 5' fence.

                        Dressage is like ballet. Ballet benefits all people, but few have what it takes to be a prima ballerina.
                        LOL this thread has been a hoot. Why would anyone think ALL horses can be GP? Seriously, are you telling me there are humans alive who think ANY and ALL can be at Aachen? Or Devon? ANY horse might be able to do a few steps of piaffe, or a passage now and again, but to be a competitive GP horse is a RARE THING.

                        People would love to sell you a horse who does GP, ever notice the ads out there that say potential to do the upper levels? Again, what a joke, sure it has potential. You have the potential to sing like Pavarotti, sure you do, it will only take hard work to get to his level. Now sit down and understand the joke is on you.

                        I will continually laugh at anyone who thinks *potential* equals *expertise*. One is born in the bone, and one is attained by wishful thinking. Special qualities are expertise in dressage and a horse who has this ability will shine with the right rider. Now I am adding the rider to the equasion, because in addition to this special quality a horse must be born with it must also be matched up with a human who also was born with special qualities all his/her own. Every rider does NOT have the ability to ride to the GP level. I do not care who you are, it still takes abilities above the ken of the average rider, even with work, even with a talented trainer. Riders are also born with abilities one does not see on the surface.

                        It takes two, it takes work, it takes talent, it takes a great deal of luck, and last but not least it as rare as lightning. It does strike, but not on all horses or humans. Count yourself extremely lucky if you feel the electricity around you.
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                        • Originally posted by tewhann View Post
                          GP dressage is no less an athletic endevour than GP show jumping and yet for reasons inexplicable to me, people are constantly asking "Why can't all horses do GP dressage"? Same reason not all horses can jump a 5' fence.

                          Dressage is like ballet. Ballet benefits all people, but few have what it takes to be a prima ballerina.
                          LOL this thread has been a hoot. Why would anyone think ALL horses can be GP? Seriously, are you telling me there are humans alive who think ANY and ALL can be at Aachen? Or Devon? ANY horse might be able to do a few steps of piaffe, or a passage now and again, but to be a competitive GP horse is a RARE THING.

                          People would love to sell you a horse who does GP, ever notice the ads out there that say potential to do the upper levels? Again, what a joke, sure it has potential. You have the potential to sing like Pavarotti, sure you do, it will only take hard work to get to his level. Now sit down and understand the joke is on you.

                          I will continually laugh at anyone who thinks *potential* equals *expertise*. One is born in the bone, and one is attained by wishful thinking. Special qualities are expertise in dressage and a horse who has this ability will shine with the right rider. Now I am adding the rider to the equasion, because in addition to this special quality a horse must be born with it must also be matched up with a human who also was born with special qualities all his/her own. Every rider does NOT have the ability to ride to the GP level. I do not care who you are, it still takes abilities above the ken of the average rider, even with work, even with a talented trainer. Riders are also born with abilities one does not see on the surface.

                          It takes two, it takes work, it takes talent, it takes a great deal of luck, and last but not least it as rare as lightning. It does strike, but not on all horses or humans. Count yourself extremely lucky if you feel the electricity around you.
                          ~Equine Jewelry~
                          Used Saddles For Sale
                          www.divadesigns.biz

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                          • heck w/grand prix, what about second level?

                            Hi,

                            I've always heard that any horse with decent gaits and a willing attitude should be able to get to 4th level. I'm amazed at the number of horses that do not progress beyond second level -- horses with amazing pedigrees and gaits. Perhaps the wrong rider, but I suspect the training and guidance riders get is more likely.

                            I know of a horse under the care of a talented rider that lacked the mentoring to get to upper levels. On this horse she never got beyond 2nd level. Later the horse went down with a young rider to FL and trained with an internationally known trainer. The girl is a good rider but no upper level experience, and the horse is now doing very credible 4th level work.
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                            • petitefilly, i agree...kinda.

                              i'd agree that not every horse and rider get there...obviously, we can just look at the statistics and see that. and the old masters would say so as well.

                              but where i part with your post is with the idea that it is like getting struck by lightning, and so rare and i guess what i disagree with is the kind of inexplicable part, like we have to just wait for lightning to strike us, like it's some sort of rapture. i don't think it's so much like lightning striking. if you work your *** off, and get a horse that is physically able (that's often the hardest part for the person who is committed to it and willing to work hard).

                              when you ask a trainer to tell you if a horse will reach grand prix, alot of the responses have a bias. some are going to say any horse can do that, and some will say not, depending on the situation, etc.

                              but frankly, the hardest thing about that, after the process of learning how to select them, is keeping them sound long enough to get there, and if the horse has problems with conformation that makes collection hard, the work will be very hard on him. i'd say that about 90% of the more advanced riders i know have had more than one horse get lame and have to be retired or dropped down on the way to the fei. some have had more than one. some, alot. that is not always an indication that they're working the horse too hard, either.

                              but some of it depends on 'how good a grand prix' and how competitive. to go around and do the work and stay in the ring and get a 55% at a local show with no one else in the class? to get a breed award that involves being in a lot of horse shows with only one person in the class, or beating only one other horse of the same breed? or to win the olympics? there are a lot of possibilities in between the two. alot of people don't care about showing, plopping around on an old schoolmaster or riding a poorly schooled but fancy looking horse from a resort stable will make them very happy.

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                              • Originally posted by petitefilly View Post
                                Seriously, are you telling me there are humans alive who think ANY and ALL can be at Aachen? Or Devon?

                                We all can be - just most of us have to buy a ticket!
                                Originally posted by BigMama1
                                Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                                GNU Terry Prachett

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                                • Talked with my trainer. She had one client come to her with a horse who was 16 years old, 3rd level. By 18 they where schooling all GP movements. She said that horse and rider had all of the needed basics, so they progressed.

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                                  • I seriously believe- we all can be- we just have to overcome our own limitations to begin with- our aches and pains- somehow get lucky to have enough time and money and I truly believe that there are way more capable horses than capable riders...so there- you can make it- search your soul and go to work!
                                    "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                                    • Two Simple you have a problem with dressage because it claims to make horses more ridable? Dressage when correctly trained, definitely does do this (but only for the people who take the time and effort to LEARN TO RIDE) I have very little respect for the people who own horses for years and never LEARN TO RIDE. Riding simply for your lazy enjoyment in my opinion is a selfish abusive beast of burden approach to horses. I cringe when I see the trail riders climb on the poor baldly trained badly conditioned horse and take off bounce, bounce, bouncing, and pull, pull, pulling down the the trail. I know people who have had horses for 20 years and still could not ride a training level test on a perfect schoolmaster. They sit on their butts and kick and pull. That is what is a travesty. Riding to me is a sport. The rider needs to put in as much effort to learn to ride as the horse puts in learning to be ridden. No horse should have to pack around someone too lazy or inconsiderate to learn to ride properly.

                                      If you just want to ride for your lazy enjoyment and can't be bothered to learn to do it properly, go buy a motorcycle. No horse should have to be subjected to people like you. Now schoolmaster have a place for kids and adults learning to ride, but that is an adjustment period. You need to step up and learn to ride or step aside and take up something else.

                                      sm I perfer the ultra sensitive full of impulsion horses. I appreciate a very forward thinking horse that reacts to the slightest aid. I like a big engine with a big go button but the sensitivity and ability to come back and sit with the very light aids. I don't care if the horse is hotter and more difficult to deal with as long as it is not a suicidal maniac. I think there are very very few suicidal maniacs out there; there are just many many horses who fall into the wrong hands with people who are not capable of handling or riding them properly.

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                                        What discipline does TS ride, that's so superior to all others? I'm just curious.
                                        Jennifer Walker
                                        Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
                                        Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com

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