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  • #41
    Perhaps if you go read some articles about Salinero, you will see several references to how hot he is.

    Salinero was purchased for clients somewhere along the line. I think they may have been Americans. But then, for whatever reason, Salinero was sent back to Anky's to be sold, which is when Sjef took notice of this horse.

    All this is documented in articles regarding Anky and Salinero. Anky also has her own website, where those other extended trot pictures came from. You might see if that has anything about Salinero's background if you are so interested.

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    • #42
      i didn't question his hotness..... i just said that i hadn't read that he was nuts.

      oh and the article i was talking about was written by their groom here on COTH (altho i really think it was sj talking thru her) and i think i also read it in an interview with SJ.

      (shrug) its just funny that the info out there is so contradictory.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by mbm
        (shrug) its just funny that the info out there is so contradictory.
        Whats that saying????? Believe half of what you read........

        and I think the "nuts" was referring to how hot he was.


        geesh, and for those with sooooo many question - let your fingers do the asking..... http://www.answers.com/topic/keltec-salinero

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        • #44
          How is the information contradictory? In Europe horses can be doing different things before specializing. The horse was bought for a client of Anky's. I guess what you didn't read is the part where the horse was sent to Anky's to be resold, and I believe that was because of his being hot.

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          • #45
            you know, after i posted that reply i *knew* that that line was going to get questioned.

            i was not being specific to this one thing - i was making a blanket statement about the quality of information out "there".

            i am not that interested to go do research.... i was just pointing out that here on COTH information that could be read as opposite of what you were saying was reported.

            if you have first hand info on him great. if not then its all speculation anyway, istn it? we dont know. we only have what has been written which many be mis translated or mis quoted or what have you.

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            • #46
              No one told me the information police was watching.

              The information you question is very easy to find for yourself. But I guess that takes the entertainment value of putting others on the chopping block out of the afternoon then, doesn't it?

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              • #47
                you can actually email anky and ask her questions if it is such a burning issue to know more than what the web site says, which actually is pretty extensive. she is very forthcoming, and very honest. she has said on many occasions in interview after interview that most of her horses are extremely hot and sensitive. this was also the case with many other notables such as nicole uphoff's rembrandt - a hot energetic temperament is very common with top show horses. i think she has gotten many of them because they were not manageable by other people, but so do many trainers get horses that way.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Patootie
                  No one told me the information police was watching.

                  The information you question is very easy to find for yourself. But I guess that takes the entertainment value of putting others on the chopping block out of the afternoon then, doesn't it?

                  patootie - i am not really questioning you... i am just saying that here on COTH different info was presented and that it is interesting how info can be so contradictory (in general) - i dont really care about salinero that much to spend the time to read up on him. (shrug).... and i am open to believing that the groom was mistaken.. i just find it amusing how something can be presented so many different ways so that people can take away different ideas about the same issue.

                  i was not trying to be personal towards you at all and i am sorry you took it that way.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by slc2
                    you can actually email anky and ask her questions if it is such a burning issue to know more than what the web site says, which actually is pretty extensive. she is very forthcoming, and very honest. she has said on many occasions in interview after interview that most of her horses are extremely hot and sensitive. this was also the case with many other notables such as nicole uphoff's rembrandt - a hot energetic temperament is very common with top show horses. i think she has gotten many of them because they were not manageable by other people, but so do many trainers get horses that way.
                    slc as mentioned i wasn't making any comments about hot - i commented about him being "crazy" and that here on COTH the info was presented differently.

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                    • #50
                      Crazy=nuts=not manageable=difficult=simply hot.

                      Is there a reason to split all these hairs?

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                      • #51
                        split before or after they turn grey?????

                        can we go back to the OT? Theo, we need new subjects to hash out here...

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                        • #52
                          ok, so in an earlier post i mentioned that to me it looked like the first horse was out of sync with its front and back kegs - just a tiny bit but when you slow it down it is apparent - its like its front legs are on one cycle and the backs o n a different. (does that make sense?) it might be why the legs are at times even and at times not??

                          what would that be from and how would a rider correct it?

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                          • #53
                            It looks to me like both the front and hind legs are leaving the ground at the same time, so I am not sure how you are seeing something out of sync. The horse does tend to climb with his front legs, and his knee indeed appears to come up above his shoulder. But that's the way this fellow appears to move. With the diagonal pairs pushing and lifting at the same time, I'm not sure there is what can be done to change that.

                            I didn't notice it before, but what an impressive seat to be able to sit that much motion!

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                            • #54
                              after watching it again, i think what i am seeing is that because of the impressive front leg action the front legs needs to travel faster than the hind legs... to hit the ground at the same time as the hinds - kinda like what happens in piaffe.

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                              • #55
                                For the person who asked about Chacomo and Farbenfroh., Chacomo was put down because of health problems relating to a tumor behind his lungs and Farbenfroh injured himself (broke his neck) while recovering from surgery.

                                http://www.eurodressage.com/news/dre...nfroh_rip.html

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                                • #56
                                  why does this bio not mention

                                  Originally posted by knz66
                                  Whats that saying????? Believe half of what you read........

                                  and I think the "nuts" was referring to how hot he was.


                                  geesh, and for those with sooooo many question - let your fingers do the asking..... http://www.answers.com/topic/keltec-salinero

                                  His participation in young horse championships before Anky/Sjef even knew of him?

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                                  • #57
                                    Patootie, have I said yet how much I like having you here? I think you make some excellent general points regarding the flaws some are willing to overlook in "non RK horses" vs. the same/similar flaws for which RK (or even just "modern") riders are crucified for.

                                    As for the original topic, I tend to agree with nero (from wayyyy back on page 1) and it's the same thing I'd alluded to in the locked thread.
                                    "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." George Burns

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                                    • #58
                                      Thanks Egontoast. Does anyone know the deal with Weltall?

                                      Chacomo is very impressive. I don't know mbm maybe the slow motion makes him look disjointed to you.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by knz66
                                        I was noticing the same things Patootie - it looked very very very tense....

                                        almost like KB had a cattle prod under that seat a couple times.

                                        Call me "new" but if I had the choice, I'd ride Chacomo

                                        Well- yes and no...have you thought what that would do to your underparts...and your spinal column....
                                        "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by slc2
                                          "if i had the choice i'd ride chacomo"

                                          oh dear god. LOL. and you'd die.

                                          these riders give a very deceptive appearance of these horses being easy and this work being easy. these riders fix things before they blow because they themselves have very fast reactions and excellent feel.

                                          these are not easy horses.

                                          the gesture is 'after' the parallel drive as the person said who looked at the slow motions.

                                          that is correct, and shows the freedom of the front. you like it in the flying lead change, don't you, LOL?

                                          that is a sign of the balance of the horse and its correct training.

                                          like all great horses that have gone down in history, goldstern was at times brilliant and at times tense, however, he was a very well schooled horse and tried extremely hard. i would be hard pressed to think of any horse that tried harder. he is definitely the little engine that couldn't say no. he went thru a period toward the end of his career, where he was having problems dealing with sights and sounds in the busy competition grounds.

                                          goldstern, remember, was bought for about 3000 dollars, and was a very poorly considered horse. to do what he did - that's nothing short of a miracle. he had a problem with the piaffe mechanics for quite some time - a problem i was shocked that anyone could fix - ever - to any degree. balkenhol is not god, but he is a brilliant trainer.

                                          what you all are talking about, how horse R (rollkurred horse) is bad, and horse N (non rollkurred horse) is good - that just depends on when you are looking and what sort of axe you are trying to grind, though also, at the same time you say dressage is for all horses, you're criticizing the gaits of specific horses, and trying to make out that the gaits are faulty due to training. you can't say that dressage is for all, and then trash the individual natural movement of a horse.

                                          each horse has good and bad moments in every test, every warmup, every ride. go look at the back page in kyra's book, take two aspirin, and call us in the morning.

                                          Now- SLC - that was one of your more memorable posts...remind me how old you are- you sure sound like a wise old owl...and how right on the spot you are with your comments...you go girl!!
                                          "the man mite be the head but the woman is the neck and the neck can turn the head any way she wants..." -smart greek woman

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