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  • Folks I just came back from a farm where the horse was tied up for four hours. According to the trainer he has to learn. I stated my objection. While cleaning a stalls I had to the listen the horse basically cry. Folks you don’t want this done to you? Don’t do it to a horse. If this happens again I will call the owner and tell him to take all of his horses else where. Folks don’t be mean to God’s creatures.

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    • This thread is 13 years old.

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      • It was a fun read of an old trainwreck.

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        • Yeah, and 13 years later it's still a trainwreck topic

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          • There are so many posters from 13 years ago that aren't here now and I just realized I miss them.
            Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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            • Sonny's mom, agree. I miss Eggy
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              • It is definitely a hot debate. I myself, will only tie with a tie ring. I have personally seen someone's horse break its neck trying to free itself tied to a tree in some of the methods proposed within this thread. I won't personally take that risk. However, I also do teach them to tie (with the ring), in a safe setting, with me present, and have never had issues with them learning to stand patiently tied. Another issue of them setting back tied to something solid with no give or possible way of a release, are injuries to the neck and poll. I have seen many a horse put their poll out setting back tied (of course, their owners were also owners who didn't teach them to stand properly tied in the first place).

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                • eggy is alive and well and on the FEI committee
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                  • Originally posted by Winston miniature horse View Post
                    Folks I just came back from a farm where the horse was tied up for four hours. According to the trainer he has to learn. I stated my objection. While cleaning a stalls I had to the listen the horse basically cry. Folks you don’t want this done to you? Don’t do it to a horse. If this happens again I will call the owner and tell him to take all of his horses else where. Folks don’t be mean to God’s creatures.
                    Calling the clients of your employer and telling them to move their horses is a great way to ensure you are seeking new employment. Are you sure that the client did not approve it? Was it actually 4 hours or felt like a long time because you perceived it as distressing? Was this a horse tied in the sun with no shelter and a nylon halter or in a stall with a breakaway and access to water?

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                    • Ssshhhhhh!
                      I can't hear my horses crying with all this chatter
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                      • Originally posted by Winston miniature horse View Post
                        Folks I just came back from a farm where the horse was tied up for four hours. According to the trainer he has to learn. I stated my objection. While cleaning a stalls I had to the listen the horse basically cry. Folks you don’t want this done to you? Don’t do it to a horse. If this happens again I will call the owner and tell him to take all of his horses else where. Folks don’t be mean to God’s creatures.
                        Lmao. Horses aren’t people. You can’t say “I wouldn’t tie up a person so I won’t do it to my horse.” You’re also probably not keeping people fenced in fields or locked stalls or riding them either. Horses do need to learn to stand tied. I don’t get why it’s something people are so against.

                        Also, old thread.

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                        • My opinion from 13 (Good God) years ago still stands! My horses tie, and sometimes I will leave them tied to the trailer while I go and get scores, go to the potty, walk my course, etc. My new pony does not tie well when something scares him so I'm using a blocker type device, but I still tie him. Sometimes to the trailer for 8 hours during a show! I don't tie overnight when we go camping, but I do use an electric pen. Oh the horrors! I am often alone, so tying and loading is important to me.
                          http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                          • Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                            nhwr - your quote "I find it makes the horses more secure, independent and self assured. " This is after you have them tied to an oak tree for a couple of hours? I think it's more likely to end up with a horse that SEEMS quiet because it's given up. As a flight animal it's important to a horse to always see a way out. Once there's no more way out, the horse basically surrenders, but rest assured that he will always look for that way. While I understand that it's necessary to be able to restrain a horse for certain things, I've always thought it highly irresponsible of owners to tie their horses to their trailers (and I've seen a few trailers damaged quite heavily because of that). I have heard of broken necks in horses wearing two nylon halters and that were tied to old trees.

                            There are all kinds of ways to teach horses - brute force has never been one to aspire to in my book. There is a reason people are more intelligent than horses.... :-)
                            Hi Seigi,

                            I ride dressage, but there's a NH trainer who works out of the barn who regularly ties his horses to the roundpen while he works each individually. I have barn sat many times and watched him work. The tying teaches a horse to patiently wait. ALL horses can pull back and escape if they feel they need to - they aren't actually tied but the rope is wrapped around the rails. He has "tied" my horse several times, it teaches my horse to "wait". The horses haven't given up at all, they have to wait for direction and learn to wait. This is especially effective for horses who want to react, not wait, and freak out at things unimportant. I would suggest that I horse that broke it's neck tied to a tree didn't know how to wait and had little self-preservation. With a good trainer, horses aren't "suddenly" tied to a tree and ignored.
                            Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

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                            • Oh shoot, I fell for a resurrected thread. Sorry!
                              Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

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                              • Originally posted by J-Lu View Post
                                Oh shoot, I fell for a resurrected thread. Sorry!
                                That's OK!

                                Just laughing at it.

                                I had a gelding who would stand in cross ties forever. but if he felt you were challenging him, tying him to a telephone pole with a heavy nylon halter wouldn't keep him there. How do I know? He shredded one heavy nylon halter, then just stood there. My fault, he sensed a dare.

                                Strangers crossing his field? He made a nasty big watchdog look like a pushover. Put a novice on him, he was an angel. Let an educated rider get on him, and Fourth level work could appear.

                                He was. thank goodness, unique.

                                Different approaches are needed for different horses, but they must, if asked, stay put quietly.
                                Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                                Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                                • I enjoyed reading this old thread. Before it, I had no idea teaching such a basic skill was controversial! Do those of you who think tying is bad never go to schooling shows? I took the youngster to a one day show this summer--my classes were 4 hours apart. Was I supposed to hand walk him for 4 hours? That would have been exhausting for both of us. Instead, he stood tied to the trailer, always with at least partial supervision (us in chairs or visiting at nearby trailers). We had one big spook when a golf cart whizzed by--but since he knows to release he wound up sitting back for a split second, and then remembering and standing up normally. He had hay and water the whole time, and he did get some grazing breaks, but he was tied for a long time. And he mostly munched, busy bodied, or snoozed. I didn't realize I was cruel to expect this of him!
                                  From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                                  • Interesting topic. I haven't read the thread yes, but, since I loves me a good train wreck, I'll be sure to. I thought I'd add my two bits, though. My horse came to me about 8 years old. His history was that his early years, age 3 to 5, were with a young woman who had him at a BNT stable. Many many horses, several indoor and outdoor rings. The story came down to me that she would spend loads of time grooming him on the cross ties, and talk to all her friends, and the very busy aisle was fully of busy horses going by, and so much going on. He's an intelligent horse, and apparently loved all the activity. The story went that she would go off and watch a friend have a lesson, and forget he was on the cross ties, and come back to find him having hung out on the cross ties for hours, apparently loving watching all the activity.

                                    It was no surprise to me to hear this. When I got him, this horse was anxious looking at everyone going out to be worked, and him in his stall. When he was on the cross ties and could see what was going on, and see into the arena, he was would relax, drop a hip, watch everyone and seemed very happy. If he's in a paddock and people are starting to saddle up and go into the cross ties and get baths, he paces unless you put him in cross ties, where he relaxes. And yes, he can hang out on cross ties for hours, left all alone, as long as he can see what's happening around the farm.

                                    He's performance bred, and is really happiest saddled up and ridden and working. Watching other horses working is almost as satisfying to him as it is for himself. He loves interacting with people. Kids come along if he's in the cross ties and he stands very still so as not to step on them, drops his head so they can reach, and they can crowd around with brushes and brush him everywhere and he won't move a muscle. He can have two kids on a step stool brushing each side of him at once and he's happy as a clam. Interesting how that all works.
                                    Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                                    • Originally posted by Pony Fixer View Post
                                      I enjoyed reading this old thread. Before it, I had no idea teaching such a basic skill was controversial! Do those of you who think tying is bad never go to schooling shows? I took the youngster to a one day show this summer--my classes were 4 hours apart. Was I supposed to hand walk him for 4 hours? That would have been exhausting for both of us. Instead, he stood tied to the trailer, always with at least partial supervision (us in chairs or visiting at nearby trailers). We had one big spook when a golf cart whizzed by--but since he knows to release he wound up sitting back for a split second, and then remembering and standing up normally. He had hay and water the whole time, and he did get some grazing breaks, but he was tied for a long time. And he mostly munched, busy bodied, or snoozed. I didn't realize I was cruel to expect this of him!
                                      The honest truth is that they will not go to shows without stalls. Once you get out of schooling shows (most of which locally offer stalls anyway) most bigger shows have stabling. I always get a stall if one is available, although I have no issues going to a show without.
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                                      • Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

                                        The honest truth is that they will not go to shows without stalls. Once you get out of schooling shows (most of which locally offer stalls anyway) most bigger shows have stabling. I always get a stall if one is available, although I have no issues going to a show without.
                                        I 've worked with a couple of horses that couldn't be trusted tied to trailers at shows. Tied at home fine. Tied at strange barns fine. The temptation to tour the grounds at shows solo was too great. Both were smart geldings, both loved knowing what was going on. I never tied my stallion to the trailer even though we did local one days.

                                        What I did/do is either hang out with them on a lead or load them back up between classes.

                                        My current mare will stand tied for ever and a day, but she mostly prefers to be loaded up where she can hang out with her fan blowing on her, in the shade, and still be able to see what's going on around her. If she is upset at all with the atmosphere (too busy, too many unfamiliar things) she will lose her self-loading manners and practically run me over to get back into the trailer where she will stand like a freaking queen and watch the goings on from the safety of her conveyance.

                                        The point is - it's individual.

                                        The other point is I don't believe anyone has a problem with tying horses, it's the way they are taught or forced that is the issue. In many people's opinion, it's not necessary to tie a horse and leave for hours on end to teach it to stand for however long it might need to stand. It's a shortcut which borders on or crosses over into abuse depending on how it is used.
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